Posted on 04/02/2003 11:48:22 AM PST by InHisImage
Edited on 04/13/2004 1:56:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Bump. May they rest in peace.
Passed with flying colors I'd say!
Last I checked, those countries were in the 'Americas'. North, Central and South America - the people who lived there are collectively, American Indians.
Here I must also disagree with you. Not all NA cultures were 'warrior' cultures. One doesn't think of the Ojibwa in the same way one thinks of the Comanche.
Just because 'One' does not think, doesn't mean that it isn't so - the Ojibwa were warriors you just missed the movie about them.
No one ever thought of the Dine' as warriors either. Beware the 'Hollywood Indian' . I mean no disrespect but do look up up the Ojibwa, you will be surprised. Many eastern and far western tribes were killed off/civilized early on so the popular history has passed most people by, the west tribes like the Comache you mentioned were documented with photos and many retain much of their history.
Another gentleman who died was, according to Fox: Marine Gunnery Sgt. Joseph Menusa, 33, of Tracy, Calif. Killed in combat. Assigned to the 1st Combat Engineer Battalion, 1st Marine Division, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
There was a picture of his widow in Sunday's paper. She was holding a picture of her husband, their infant child and herself. Absolutely heartbreaking. She looks like a kid, herself. (At my age, though, it seems everybody looks like a child.)
Anyway, I tried to find her address to send her a card. No luck, though.
The ancestry of the inhabitants of Colombia and Venezuela is by and large either European or African or mixed. Do look at the CIA factbook first. By your logic, All Americans are American Indians. Hello, these countries were colonized by Spain with the concurrent importation of Africans to work the plantations. Look at Venezuela's Chavez. He's clearly got Africa in his family tree. There are other SA countries with similar distributions that I can't remember just off the top of my head.
Many eastern and far western tribes were killed off/civilized early on so the popular history has passed most people by
If they were indeed a 'warrior' society they wouldn't have been killed off...would they? Even the other Indian tribes knew which tribes were warrior tribes. Comanche is actually Ute Indian for 'he who is always trying to kill me'. My NA ancestors were pottery makers. They 'stood up for themselves' but were definitely not thought of as 'mean and aggressive' like the Comanche.
I dislike the idea of 'monocultures' that ascribe particular behavior to vastly different groups of people just because they inhabit the same continent. Scots != French (thank God, but they did inhabit the same 'region') Native American doesn't describe more than a race and a place. Any attempt to label a 'culture' with it is doomed to failure. As is the label 'Hispanic'. Hispanic is a region, not a race or even a culture.
Not much to comment on here.
I'm not writing a novel here, I'm telling what I know. My friends from C.A. and S.A. are noEuropeans or Africans. They in fact look a lot like the poeple depicted in the old art. The Indians of the other Americas were more intergrated than in North America- you believe your CIA fact books and I'll stick with what my eyes tells me. By my logic, I am right. Colonize must mean genocide to you, hey, the Brits were in India and they don't look that 'English' to me, how about to you?
If they were indeed a 'warrior' society they wouldn't have been killed off...would they
What a foolish statement, how about disease and better weapons? Want a current example? The Iraqi's have a large, well trained militrary but they will be destroyed by superior power. Does that mean they didn't have a military or that they "were peacefull"? And if your Comaches were such great warriors they wouldn't be scattered in reservations drinking Aqua-velva (tm), now would they?
Your ancestors made pottery? Which tribe? because even what we call the "peacefull peoples" has/had warriors. Don't confuse Klingons with Indians. Mean and agressive does not make them warriors. There weren't many "trades" to get into back in the day here,by contrast Europe had an abundance of businesses, trades, professions, etc. A man rose to power and influence in Indian tribes by what was available. (hint, they weren't lawyers)
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