Libertarians Join Liberals in Challenging Sodomy Law

NYTimes ^ | March 19, 2003 | LINDA GREENHOUSE

[Zack Nguyen]

It would be impossible to list the number of ways that our culture is coarsened through sexual sin. Homosexuality promotes a whole host of social pathologies, physical ailments, emotional heartache, and political activism too numerous to mention here. And unless I choose to live on a desert island I and my children cannot avoid it. You know that well. Private sin effects public life.

In the city of Dallas it is illegal to fail to hire someone because they are homosexual or transsexual. In many schools it is taught as normative. In some countries it is illegal to speak against it.

[Zack Nguyen]

Where did God state that he approved of Lot's behavior? Please site Chapter and verse.

[Zack Nguyen]

So, parents should shoot impudent teenagers?

Sure! Just kidding. No, but our statutes and schools should reflect the belief that children are accountable to their parents, who have the right to direct their lives.

[freeeee]

but his writings such as Romans were inspired, inerrant words of God. So Paul is speaking the very mind of God here

Oh yeah? I, freeeee, am hereby inspired by God. And I declare up to be down and black to be white. This is the mind of God himself. How do you know? Well, I told you so. Stay tuned for more pronouncements from God himself, spoken through my mouth of course.

See how it works? (BTW, before you get all upset about blasphamy, I'm just kidding to make a point)

[sakic]

Now, why would it be imprudent to criminalize sodomy?

Because well over 75% of your countrymen and women, and probably yourself, have engaged in sodomy.

[Zack Nguyen]

No, that is not how it works. When you successfully write 66 books over a 1500 year period, utilizing a myriad of authors all from different cultures, living in different countries, speaking different languages, and have it all hang together perfectly in concordant theology, then I'll listen to your pronouncements.

[jimt]

Where did God state that he approved of Lot's behavior? Please site Chapter and verse.

Sorry, my copy of the Bible is at home. But I know the story quite well. Lot is described as a prophet, right? I would assume prophets were people God approved of? And God saved Lot from the destruction of Sodom, right? And God did not reprove Lot for offering to allow his daughters to be raped and cruelly used by the men of Sodom, right?

C'mon. The plain reading of what happened is VERY clear. And to me, OBVIOUSLY immoral. Or do you think whoring your daughters to save your hiney is a moral act?

[Zack Nguyen]

Do you have a response to my point concerning hte Ten Commandments?

[Pahuanui]

When you successfully write 66 books over a 1500 year period, utilizing a myriad of authors all from different cultures, living in different countries, speaking different languages, and have it all hang together perfectly in concordant theology, then I'll listen to your pronouncements.

That's pretty funny. Do you have a stand-up act on weekends?

[Liberal Classic]

Obviously a joke, but seriously I agree with what you said just there and believe that statutes and schools that do not follow this sense should be changed.

[jimt]

In the city of Dallas it is illegal to fail to hire someone because they are homosexual or transsexual.

Private people should be able to freely associate on any basis they wish. This means discrimination laws should be repealed, except for government. Government should not be allowed to discriminate.

In many schools it is taught as normative.

My child will never attend one, and every parent should do the same, in my opinion.

In some countries it is illegal to speak against it.

Those countries are run by idiots who are practicing social engineering - in an un-Constitutional way.

[Zack Nguyen]

I do have my copy of the Bible, so here are a few notes about your post.

1. Lot's daughters were never raped by the men of Sodom. He offered them and they refused, intent instead on sodomizing the angels of God that appeared at Lot's home.

2. I have found no verse in the Bible that states Lot was a prophet.

3. While it is true that God did not immediately wipe Lot from the face of the earth for his shameful act, remember that God is patient. He is long-suffering. I have sinned against Him countless times and He has not wiped me from the face of the earth just yet.

[F.J. Mitchell]

As usual, I am with the Conservatives on this one. No pair of perverts, consenting adults or not, can confine the disease and filth, spawned by their deviency, to the privacy of their bedroom. They demand their right to privacy for the purpose of committing their fornication, but flee the bedroom demanding that everyone else pay for the treatment of their affliction, and finance the vain pursuit of vacination against it, so they may continue on with their mindless pursuit of banality.

They want our children indoctrinated by the education establishment, at such an early age that they are not even aware of normal human sexuality, into being aware of and receptive to homosexuality.

May the Supreme Court find the wisdom and guts to properly rule on this issue.

[Zack Nguyen]

Private people should be able to freely associate on any basis they wish. This means discrimination laws should be repealed, except for government. Government should not be allowed to discriminate.

I believe that discrimination on the basis of color or race is wrong, and the South's institutional racism against blacks should have been dealt with by the government long before the 1960's. But as far as sexuality goes, we agree.

As for schools teaching it as normative and countries rndering speech against it legal, it simply proves the point that private behavior has public consequences. While you may disagree with the actions of these schools and governments, this is how the world works. It will eventually happen in America unless we seek to stop it now.

[rmvh]

Re your #13 et al...

from a medical standpoint, the promisucous insertion of a penis into another person's rectum often causes capillary failure and blood transfer as the capillaries in the rectum are close to the surface.... in the vagina they are not.

HIV, among other horrors, is the welcomed guest!!

Those lawyers pushing "privacy" for their sexually deviant clients, where normal people must carry the financial burden, are duplicitous thieves....Morality and the related crimes against children aside.

[gcruse]

Hah! You finally bit into an artery. Posted at 2 or 3 in the morning and still bopping along. There only thing more popular than digging into someone's sex life is defining that life for others using the tools of government.

[RJCogburn]

There only thing more popular than digging into someone's sex life is defining that life for others using the tools of government.

Well, some people will put just about anything into their mouth.

[Hacksaw]

LOL, nice try at a dodge. Slavery was constitutional for "most of our history" when it was overturned. This not-so clever dodge lets you advocate overturning some and leaving others, depending on your personal preference. Roe springs to mind.

Slaverly was overturned by the Emancipation Proclamation (legislation) and the Civil War. It was actually expanded by judicial fiat in the Dred Scott decision. So, wrong again, pal. I have tried being polite to you, but you are being a moron (and that is not name calling, that is stating a fact).

[u-89]

I didn't say ban marriage, I said get the government out of it. Stopping government from dispencing benefits or penalties based on marital status would also be a help.

[u-89]

"or else I will have to taunt you."

Just checking after the fact... are you familiar with Monty Python? I assumed you might be just because it was a big part of the culture at one time but depending on the generation one is from it might be meaningless. My remarks and pictures wouldn't make sense if one were not on the cutting edge 25 years ago.BTW I didn't take your remarks as personal I just couldn't pass up the chance for a "funny".

cordially,