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MONTCLAIR NJ calls off the war
The Montclair Times, Montclair NJ ^ | Wednesday, March 05, 2003 | By JEFF HARRELL

Posted on 03/14/2003 6:46:50 AM PST by lindasobers

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1 posted on 03/14/2003 6:46:50 AM PST by lindasobers
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To: firebrand; rmlew; Cacique; Clemenza; Dutchy; StarFan; nutmeg; RaceBannon; Coleus; ...
NJ-tri-state ping.
2 posted on 03/14/2003 6:51:24 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: lindasobers
Montclair is merely a pimple on that derrier of the U.S. -the State of New Jersey.
3 posted on 03/14/2003 6:52:23 AM PST by ZULU (You)
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To: lindasobers; hellinahandcart; NYC GOP Chick; sauropod
Besides, if they think the president is going to stop in his tracks and bark out a commandment like, “Call the troops home because the Township of Montclair just passed an antiwar resolution,” they’re smoking stuff that was a lot better than anything we had in 1972.

The best line in the whole article...!

4 posted on 03/14/2003 6:52:30 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Like I always said, having a city adopt a anit-war resolution is completely a waste of time. Just like the anti-war protests.
5 posted on 03/14/2003 6:53:09 AM PST by Jon Geb
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To: areafiftyone
ping.
6 posted on 03/14/2003 6:53:57 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: hobbes1
isn't this near you?
7 posted on 03/14/2003 6:54:30 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy
Right next door.

This is where when I am Starbucks, or A&P with Wolfgang, I ask him, "Wolf Where do all the nutty liberals Live"

...."Montclair, Daddy!"....

8 posted on 03/14/2003 6:56:49 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: hobbes1
it is always endearing when one's children think of the word LIBERAL as an epithet....: )
9 posted on 03/14/2003 6:58:26 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: hobbes1
The best anti-war protest crap has to be the mock funerals. Those nut jobs are going insane I fear. Does this particular junk bother anyone else?
10 posted on 03/14/2003 6:58:56 AM PST by Jon Geb
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To: hobbes1
The best anti-war protest crap has to be the mock funerals. Those nut jobs are going insane I fear. Does this particular junk bother anyone else?
11 posted on 03/14/2003 6:58:56 AM PST by Jon Geb
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To: Jon Geb
It's amusing in a sick sad sort of way.
12 posted on 03/14/2003 6:59:55 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: hobbes1
My heart goes out to John Morris. Would love to get a large group together for the opposite side of the street on Friday afternoons at 3pm.
13 posted on 03/14/2003 7:02:59 AM PST by lindasobers
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To: xsmommy
An Addendum.

This is why I don;t do these kinds of meetings.

“I don’t want these kids to come back home and be called names,” Morris said. “When I came back from Vietnam, I was called a military industrialist bastard.”
“You still are,” mumbled a voice from two rows behind me.

I would have dragged that bastard out by his hair, kicking and screaming like a little girl, and beat the crap out of him.

14 posted on 03/14/2003 7:03:59 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: hobbes1
i guess what puzzles me, is why all of these cities and municipalities have to give their .02 on a matter of NATIONAL interest. who gives a crap what Montclair NJ thinks, or Houston, TX or Falls Church VA, on whether we should be at war. Isn't there some zoning issue that needs tending to???
15 posted on 03/14/2003 7:06:14 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: lindasobers
The ironic thing is that Montclair, being in North Jersey, is right in the former shadows of the WTC. New Jersey lost quite a number of its citizens in that attack. These cowards on the city council dishonor the memory of the dead with their cowardice. Saddam is part and parcel of the terrorist regime that aided and abetted the barbarians who took the lives of many NJ citizens. The Montclair council would do well to pass a resolution honoring the dead, rather than taking a cheap political shot at George Bush.
16 posted on 03/14/2003 7:06:23 AM PST by chimera
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Here is what the town council, and the "people' that support them exactly what they are endorsing Vis-A-Vis Iraq.

See....this.

Amnesty International called on the Iraqi authorities to put an end to the systematic torture and ill-treatment of political prisoners and to introduce legislative and practical steps to improve the human rights situation in the country.

In a report published today -- Iraq: Systematic torture of political prisoners -- the organization paints a grim picture of routine torture, whereby horrendous physical and psychological suffering is inflicted upon political prisoners and detainees.

"Victims of torture in Iraq are subjected to a wide range of forms of torture, including the gouging out of eyes, severe beatings and electric shocks," said Amnesty International, based on interviews with hundreds of torture victims in Iraq over the years. "Some victims have died as a result and many have been left with permanent physical and psychological damage."

Other methods of torture include extinguishing of cigarettes on various parts of the body, extraction of finger nails and toenails and piercing of the hands with an electric drill. Some have been sexually abused and others have had objects, including broken bottles, forced into their anus. In addition to physical torture, detainees have been threatened with rape and subjected to mock executions.

Over the years many victims of torture have been Shia Muslims from Baghdad or from Southern Iraq. The fate of al-Shaikh Nazzar Kadhim al-Bahadli, a 29-year-old theology student from Saddam City, a district of Baghdad, is typical. He was arrested in 1999 and was tortured for long periods in the building of Saddam City Security Directorate. His wife, father and mother were reportedly brought to the building in August 1999 and were tortured in front of him to force him to confess to being one of those responsible for the April 1999 disturbances in Saddam City. He was said to have confessed in order to spare his relatives any further torture. They were released following his confession but he was sentenced to death later and executed at the beginning of 2001.

Torture is used against other political opponents and army and security officers suspected of dissidence or involvement in coup attempts. Amnesty International's report also documents torture, ill-treatment and extra-judicial executions of women.

A 25-year-old woman known as "Um Haydar" was beheaded in the street without charge or trial at the end of December 2000 after her husband, who was suspected by the authorities of involvement in Islamist armed activities, fled the country. Um Haydar was taken from her house in al-Karrada district, in front of her children and mother-in-law, by men belonging to Fedaiyye Saddam. Two men held her by the arms and a third pulled her head from behind and beheaded her in front of the residents. The beheading was also witnessed by members of the ruling Ba'ath Party in the area. The security men took the body and the head in a plastic bag and took away the children and mother-in-law. Their fate remains unknown.

The report stresses that torture in Iraq is also practised through various judicial punishments, which were introduced in the mid-1990s ostensibly to stem the increase in the crime rate that the Government attributed to the impact of economic sanctions imposed on the country since 1990. These 'judicial punishments,' including amputation of hand and foot, branding of forehead and cutting off of the ears, used to be publicized by the Iraqi media. Such publicity became rarer since the end of 1996, following international condemnation of these punishments.

Amnesty International's recommendations to the Iraqi authorities include renewed calls to ratify and implement fully in domestic law and practice the UN Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment; repeal all decrees imposing punishments amounting to torture; set up an independent body to undertake impartial investigations into all allegations of torture and bring to justice anyone responsible for serious violations; and put an end to all extra-judicial executions.

"The systematic torture and climate of fear that have prevailed in Iraq for so many years must be brought to an end," Amnesty International said. "The continuing scale and severity of human suffering must not be allowed to continue."

Read the Report: Iraq: Systematic torture of political prisoners

17 posted on 03/14/2003 7:11:00 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: lindasobers; xsmommy; hobbes1
This explains a lot...

Patriotism is shared, but not politics

The difference is that Montclair NJ wants to be a part of the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of the United States.

from the article...In the USA TODAY/Gallup Polls, people in Montclair were more likely to say America bears some responsibility for the hatred that led to the attacks. Franklin showed more willingness to sacrifice lives.

Montclair literally overlooks the Hudson with a view to the WTC site. A google search for Montclair and World Trade Center Victim yields *many* many results. These people don't have the intelligence to live to become ancestors.

18 posted on 03/14/2003 7:15:23 AM PST by Black Agnes
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Ping to my last post. Good USA Today article contrasting Franklin TN and Montclair NJ.
19 posted on 03/14/2003 7:16:35 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
This should tell youu all you need to know...

Some in Montclair are uneasy not just about the war but about the flags that flew in their town for months. Lynn Seligman, a literary agent, is a first-generation American from a German-Jewish family. "When I see lots of flags out, that super-patriotism, it reminds me of Nazism,"

You are right. Too Stupid To be ancestors.

20 posted on 03/14/2003 7:19:56 AM PST by hobbes1
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