I'D RATHER GO NAKED!

NewsWithViews.com ^ | March 13, 2003 | Mary Starrett

[blau993]

Well color me old-fashioned, but it would be pretty unusual for me me to pull out my VISA card to pay for a can of shaving cream. For purchases under twenty bucks, I am still a believer in that quaint stuff called "cash."

[inquest]

Fact: Advancing technology makes widespread surveillance logistically and economically feasible.

What's the solution? Repeal patent laws?

[BlueLancer]

"You can debate the very real privacy issues at stake here, or continue with your juvenile illuminati and tin foil hat jokes. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously."

In my opinion, we are debating the "very real privacy issues at stake here" with the amount of decorum such drivel deserves. If I were interested in anyone taking me seriously on threads such as these ... well, that would be impossible. Threads such as these should NOT be taken seriously.

So, we are being very consistent. If someone is reading my emails or going through my trash, all I can say is that they're going to be mighty bored AND have dirty hands.

[photogirl]

bump

[L,TOWM]

>>>>>>Sounds to me like these designers are coming up with this as a way to foil counterfeiters.<<<<<<<

See post 4, and take a double dose of your medicine this afternoon.

Then after you have taken the medicine, follow some of the links provided. You still have the freedom to think critically, please indulge it.

BTW, I don't make statements like I have on this thread to "discredit" any of these paranoid fantasies. In order to "dis" anything, it must have the attribute or quality in first place.

[freeeee]

In my opinion, we are debating the "very real privacy issues at stake here" with the amount of decorum such drivel deserves.

Privacy concerns are drivel? Very well, apparently you haven't much appreciation for privacy. That's fine, everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion. Let the forum weigh your posts accordingly.

If someone is reading my emails or going through my trash, all I can say is that they're going to be mighty bored AND have dirty hands.

Sounds a lot like "If you haven't done anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about".

[fight_truth_decay]

No Hiding Place For Anyone

...the mu-chip is a Pandora's box, believes Lee Tien, an attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EEF), a San Francisco-based organisation that specialises in the conflict between technology and personal rights. Although he has no intention of demonising the Hitachi chip, it is nevertheless an example of how surveillance technology is getting cheaper all the time.

Overtones of Big Brother may not be the only problems. If tiny chips woven into money and other valuables were constantly announcing their whereabouts, a thief would know precisely which person or home to rob. By the same token, chips in clothing—linked to their owner's identity at the time of purchase—could mark the wearer's location anywhere on earth.

The Economist

[sheik yerbouty]

A bar code, by itself, does not transmit your location.

[L,TOWM]

I wonder why he gave me top billing? Your jokes are just as good as mine, and you have such great graphics to go with them. Plus YOU pinged ME onto this schizfest. I would insist on his giving full credit and acknowledgement to the "enter you and a couple of other jokers on this thread", were I in your place.

Of course, you are probably a more gracious man than I (but that ain't sayin' much).

[freeeee]

What's the solution? Repeal patent laws?

I don't have time or space to pose a solution to this huge problem on this thread. One could write books on the topic.

In a nutshell, privacy must be seen as an essential element of liberty, and prioritized as such.

[BlueLancer]

"I wonder why he gave me top billing?"

I just have to face the fact ...
When somebody is going to get flamed for something,
I always just seem to be "The Little Man Who Wasn't There".

As I was walking down the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there ...
He wasn't there again today;
Oh how I wish he'd stay away.

[freeeee]

I wonder why he gave me top billing?

Your magnetic personality, of course.

I would insist on his giving full credit and acknowledgement to the "enter you and a couple of other jokers on this thread", were I in your place.

Of course. I didn't mean to be inconsiderate. BlueLancer, please consider post #59 to be addressed to you as well.

[longtermmemmory]

Time for a constitutional ammendment to support privacy.

Citizens has be secure in the privacy in the their person from the non-consentual collection of information regarding their properties, activities, and conscience.

or something like that.

[The Coopster]

Ummm...FYI, the "taking seriously" part goes both ways. Post an outrageous thread, expect to be made fun of a little. If you have these views, I'm sure you've been poked fun at a little before this.

All I'm saying is that you might want to thicken the skin a little.

[BlueLancer]

"In a nutshell, privacy must be seen as an essential element of liberty, and prioritized as such."

In other words, the same language abortion rights activists use to justify abortion ...

The penumbra in the Constitution with respect to the Right to Privacy?

[fight_truth_decay]

The Gap, based in San Francisco, is interested in the chip for its marketing potential. Gap wants to integrate the chip into its clothing labels, so that when a customer buys a pair of jeans, or a little black dress, that information will be sent straight to the company's database. Gucci or Chanel and other designers could use the chips to expose imitations. Hospitals could use the chips for patient-identification.

[Tennessee_Bob]

Wonder how that chip will stand up to my pliers?

[WaveThatFlag]

Um, someone may have pointed this out already, but...
It is already quite simple to track a person by where he uses his credit card. Don't want people tracking you? Pay cash for everything. Then all they can do is track the clothes worn by some anonymous person.

[fight_truth_decay]

"cash."

...or Debit card.

[freeeee]

In other words, the same language abortion rights activists use to justify abortion ... The penumbra in the Constitution with respect to the Right to Privacy?

No, if there is to be any change to the Constitution, I do not advocate any method but the amendment process. I am no fan of judicial activism.

That said, federal government privacy intrusions can be constitutionally argued using the 4th and 10th Amendments. The 4th is relevent for obvious reasons, the 10th is relevent because powers not delegated (to spy) are forbidden.