Posted on 03/07/2003 9:35:10 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
No Walt. It is here to stay whether you and others who share in your agenda of PC-censorship like it or not. EVERY politician who has gotten himself involved in an effort to censor the confederate flag has lost on the issue.
David Beasley messed with it in South Carolina. They booted him out of office.
His successor Jim Hodges messed with it in South Carolina. They booted him out of office.
Roy Barnes messed with it in Georgia. They booted him out of office.
The leftists in Mississippi tried to remove it by referendum. Their effort went down in flames at the ballot box.
The simple fact that each and every one of these cases demonstrates, Walt, is that people don't like it when leftist PC nazis such as yourself come down to their states and communities and tell them that they cannot fly their flag because it may "offend" somebody, or because it isn't "politically correct" to do so. That is why you lose on the flag issue over and over and over again at the ballot box. Now it appears that Gov. Purdue, who I have no doubt you campaigned against, is simply making due on his promise to let the people vote again at the ballot box. That obviously has you up in arms because you know the political reality of the flag issue - when the people vote on it, they tend to vote for the flag. Every single case in recent times has shown this to be so. It is the political reality, Walt - Don't mess with Dixie.
Fly whatever flags you want to on your personal property, but for goodness sakes, there are more important battles to be fought here in Georgia.
A couple of notes of interest:
You do know that the South lost the War of Northern Aggression, right?
You do know that the Georgia legislature adopted the Confederate battle emblem on the state flag as a snub to the federal government's mandates to integrate things in the South and treat blacks as equal human beings, right?
How do you think blacks feel about that? While I agree they should have more important things to worry about (like the anti-achievement mentality of the youth and the HIGH percentage of fatherless families) the same can be said for the pro-Confederate battle emblem crowd.
Don't you think there are more important things to worry about such as the 6% state income tax, a state budget that has more than doubled in a decade, the horrible traffic problems in Atlanta and the lack of a decent public transportation system because MARTA stinks?!?!
Right, but what relevance that bears to a politically correct left wing attempt to censor confederate historical items, I do not know.
You do know that the Georgia legislature adopted the Confederate battle emblem on the state flag as a snub to the federal government's mandates to integrate things in the South and treat blacks as equal human beings, right?
Wrong, and in fact that assertion has actually been the issue of much scholarship. While what you said is arguably true of the South Carolina statehouse flag that Fritz Hollings put up there, no evidence exists that the same occurred with the Georgia flag change. I believe it was even the ACJ that researched the issue and went back into the old records of the legislature when they changed the flag. They found virtually nothing related to resisting desegregation etc. Instead, it was put forth to commemorate the centenial of the war itself.
How do you think blacks feel about that?
Any sane ones should have no more problems with it than the United States flag. That was apparently the case in many regions of Mississippi as several majority-black counties voted in favor of keeping the confederate image in their flag last year. As for those few in the Jesse Jackson crowd of race hustlers out there who believe they have a "right" to offend the rest of us with racially motivated propaganda in order that they themselves may escape a profession of the very same over a piece of cloth, I could care less how they feel.
While I agree they should have more important things to worry about (like the anti-achievement mentality of the youth and the HIGH percentage of fatherless families) the same can be said for the pro-Confederate battle emblem crowd.
In some ways I suppose it could if indeed the flag were the only issue. It is not though. It is simply the latest target in an ongoing left wing assault on American culture, history, and anything that does not fit into their goal of remodelling this country as politically correct socialist diversitopia of big government.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the real fear (which is being conceited already by the left), that if and when there is a referendum, the majority is going to go with the stars and bars?
He knows his own words and I've made it perfectly clear to him many times before that they have been noticed. His usual response is to assert yet again that he stands by everything he has said. Accordingly my interest is only in making other unsuspecting bystanders aware of what lurks behind his posts in threads such as these. FR, as you probably know, is a generally conservative forum and tends to quickly weed out posters from the left when they state things not unlike what Walt has spoken here. Therefore it is often assumed by many, if not most, that the people they are responding to generally come from the same side of the political spectrum as they do, though the degree differs. That cannot be said of Walt, who is an avowed and active liberal Democrat with ideological persuasions on the left including those indicated in his quotes. For reasons unknown to myself and the rest of us, he is nevertheless allowed to post here freely. That being said, do not mistake my position as one desiring that he be bumped from the forum as a disrupter. He provides a good laugh to watch.
More liberal mindset of "We know what's good for you". The Georgia flag doesn't affect me one way or the other. But liberal newspapers lecturing the people that they are too stupid to make their own decisions because they might be "insensitive" do.
Correct. That is what happened in Mississippi when they had a referendum with two competing designs - a confederate one and a non-confederate one. Unless they are certain that the public will rubber stamp their position, the left wants the public as far away from the issue as is physically possible. Remember, to them big government knows what is best for us - far more than we could ever know ourselves.
Translation: if whites don't bow and scrape and kow-tow to every black whim and demand, then an issue becomes racially divisive.
That equality and freedom stuff was just for PR don't ya know. The only true way to get a colorblind society is for all whites everywhere to grant every black demand, give blacks preferential access to schools, jobs, government assistance, and stay silent as they are 10 times more likely to be murdered by blacks than vice versa.
You are in the minority on this forum. Most of us disagree with you. Your intellectual dishonesty, your hatred of President Lincoln (and I suspect of the USA), and your belligerence are becoming more obvious with each passing day.
Your problem with WhiskeyPapa is that he puts you (and the other neo-reb fringers like you) in your place on a regulr basis. Having failed to silence him with reasoned argument, of which you posess very little, you have resorted to personal attacks on his character.
Now you've been reduced to "cutting and pasting" his out of context remarks from other threads and forums, in some lame attempt to justify your own hostility.
I'm reminded of Captain Ahab.
No, the south lost the Civil War, the War between the States, the War of the Southern Rebellion, or Jeff Davis' War. There was no War of Northern Agression.
Perdue should change the flag to the pre-56 design and then tell everyone to shut up about it.
To my knowledge, the Northern armies are the ones that initially invaded the South. If you and I are neighbors and you say I'm ugly but I come across the property line and start beating you up -- who do you think will be viewed as the aggressor?
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