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Another United Nations War?
Ron Paul ^ | February 28, 2003 | Ron Paul, M.D., and a Republican member of Congress from Texas

Posted on 03/01/2003 3:14:26 PM PST by exodus

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To: Experiment 6-2-6


Um, Vietnam HAS been in the news, ever since they decided to send workers to a sweatshop under the guidance of a South Korean Businessman. BUT NOT BEFORE THEY ALL UNDERWENT PATRIOTIC CLASSES. Except the South Korean Businessman just gots found guilty in a Federal Court in Hawaii for slave trafficking. But I fergot. Vietnam is not commie anymore. HA!
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There are quite a number of tryannical nations the world over who are not communist, but are nevertheless tyrannies. There are even very capitalistic tyrannies, and slavery can exist in a free society, too; communism has no monopoly on that, either.

As I said, I know nothing of present-day Vietnam.

162 posted on 03/01/2003 10:10:43 PM PST by exodus
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To: elfman2 on another computer
Man! And if you only behaved with a little bit of honor an integrity, we could have discussed this now. LOL! (Re: #134)

I must be tired. This sentence made no sense to me at all. Can you be more clear?

163 posted on 03/01/2003 10:11:02 PM PST by William Terrell (Advertise in this space - Low rates)
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To: Darkdrake; inquest


War was declared on us.
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By Iraq? When did that happen?

165 posted on 03/01/2003 10:12:13 PM PST by exodus
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To: inquest
You need to show where the President is given the power to initiate war by his own decision.

I don't need to since that is not the case. Congress gave him the authority to decide when hostilities should commence. That is their "declaration of war". The Congress can, if it so chooses withhold funding if they disagree OR they can rescind the Joint Resolution. Now, you may not like that but your entire argument is unsupportable given the lack of a REQUIREMENT for congress to exercise its POWER to declare war or the lack of "proper" language or format such a declaration must use. You don't have a leg to stand on.

166 posted on 03/01/2003 10:13:21 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Darkdrake
War was declared on us.

That's for Congress to decide, not you, and not the President.

167 posted on 03/01/2003 10:14:32 PM PST by inquest
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To: Darkdrake; inquest


They are acting in full compliance of the Constitution, and the War Powers Act.
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The War Powers Act is illegal.

It gives the President the authorization to have six-month long wars, without a Declaration of War from Congress.

168 posted on 03/01/2003 10:14:40 PM PST by exodus
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To: Darkdrake
They are acting in full compliance of the Constitution, and the War Powers Act.

Now you're just arguing in circles.

170 posted on 03/01/2003 10:15:42 PM PST by inquest
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To: William Terrell
William, you don’t seem to remember me. You were promoting a NWO conspiracy claim about a year ago, and I made a serious attempt to structure a debate with you. You agreed to several conditions, but right in the middle, you refused to stay on topic and wasted a lot of my time. I don’t get into discussions with people who do that.

It's time for me to crash anyway....

171 posted on 03/01/2003 10:17:06 PM PST by elfman2 on another computer
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To: Texasforever
A transferral of the power to make a declaration of war is not in itself a declaration of war. Surely you can see that.
172 posted on 03/01/2003 10:17:33 PM PST by inquest
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To: Texasforever


Congress gave him the authority to decide when hostilities should commence. That is their "declaration of war".
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Congress delegated the power to decide when or if hostilities would commence.

If the President can decide not to go to war, it isn't a Congressional decision.

By the way, hello, friend.

174 posted on 03/01/2003 10:18:41 PM PST by exodus
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To: Darkdrake
Yes, Congress passed it.

The War Powers Resolution is still illegal.

175 posted on 03/01/2003 10:19:37 PM PST by exodus
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To: elfman2 on another computer
Good night, elfman2.
177 posted on 03/01/2003 10:20:52 PM PST by exodus
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To: Darkdrake
Article 1; Section 8; Clause 18:

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Article 1, Secion 8, Clause 11:

To declare War, grant letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

This one of those "foregoing Powers" mentioned above. And the rest of the legislative branches powers have to do with making laws governing "any Department or Officer thereof", not tranfering legislative powers to them.

Tell me, in your thinking, how is such a transfer of powers not a violation of the separation of powers?

178 posted on 03/01/2003 10:21:10 PM PST by William Terrell (Advertise in this space - Low rates)
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To: inquest
A transferral of the power to make a declaration of war is not in itself a declaration of war. Surely you can see that

If that is what it was you MAY have a point but it is not the situation. The only thing Bush has discretion on is the timing. Congress has already spoken as to who war will be waged upon. You have no argument to make.

179 posted on 03/01/2003 10:22:20 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: exodus
Ron Paul would have ragged on Thomas Jefferson about the Barbary Pirates, too.
180 posted on 03/01/2003 10:22:41 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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