Jurors claim they were misled in marijuana trial (of pot guru)

Modesto Bee ^ | 2/5/03 | Angela Watercutter

[Dane]

Here is a web site from where you will, IMO, probably find the most sympathetic ear towards Mr. Rosenthal's plight.

Bay area Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi

[Wolfie]

50 times more potent? Cite your source, please.

[tdadams]

By your "assinine" logic, a person could grow Ricin or Anthrax, or build an atomic bomb in most states, and until they killed people with it or took it acorss state lines

Wow, what a flawless analogy - except that marijuana is not a weapon of mass destruction that can be released on an unsuspecting public to kill millions.

Last time I checked there is no grassroots or state level sentiment that the right to build your own homemade nuke advances the cause of fairness and justice.

[MindBender26]

All that data openly available. Read High Times magazine chem anal of THC content of current, highly potent strains of marijuana, such as BC Gold, compared to 60s varieties. The dopers are so very proud of their accomplishments.

Marijuana for commercial human consumption is no longer grown outside or simply in wild. It's too importanmt for that. It is grown by ag professionals in buildings, usually on outskirts of Vancouver, in "grow operations," run buy Asian illegals.

The ag types test and measure how it is growing, adjust fertilizers, light, moisture, etc., to get highest THC levels.

It is then smuggled (usually through Eastern Washington, snowmobiles are a favorite in winter) into the US and trucked to LA.

It is so "good" that South American suppliers will exchange it, 1 for 1, kilo for kilo, for cocaine. The Canadians then smuggle the cocaine back to BC, Toronto and Montreal and sell it for huge profits.

Sources: clients including RCMP in Vancouver.

[tdadams]

Typical, Dane. In the two and some years I've seen you on these types of threads, you've never posted anything but flippant and irrelevant quips that contribute nothing to the debate and do nothing to support your position.

As a lay psychologist, I realize that this is due to your subconscious realization that the facts aren't on your side so the best you can do is dismiss the valid arguments of those who disagree with you.

[MindBender26]

Wow, what a flawless analogy - except that marijuana is not a weapon of mass destruction that can be released on an unsuspecting public to kill millions.

There are many ways to die. Just ask any of the school teachers in any major US city where 15% of the students are so stoned by the 3d period that they don't know their own names.

What social welfare system will you pay for to support them for the next 50 years of their non-productuve life?

[Wolfie]

Not that you'll bother, but

The Myth of High Potency Pot

As for trading pot for coke, that's a laughable myth started when the Feds got hinky about Canada's relaxing pot laws.

[MindBender26]

No.

[tdadams]

Just ask any of the school teachers in any major US city where 15% of the students are so stoned by the 3d period that they don't know their own names.

I've noticed you make a lot of authoritative sounding claims without substantiating them. I knew a kid in school who did that and everyone knew he was just full of it - making it up. Still to this day when I see a person doing that, I have the same suspicion.

If 15% of students are stoned to that degree by 3rd period, what does that say about our schools, teachers, and parents? Sorry, I'm not buying that claim. I think you've been reading the newest edition, updated for the Ashcroft era, of "Reefer Madness."

[Boot Hill]

Mr. K says:   "He was growing FOR a state entity..."

It doesn't matter who your co-conspirator was, it still is not a legal defense to the crime charged.

Mr. K says:   "He was...complying with state laws..."

No he wasn't. The so-called medical marijuana law ONLY applies to the severely ill and their primary care giver. It does not permit a third party to grow the dope.

--Boot Hill

[Boot Hill]

dirtboy says:   "The people of the State of California did just that by passing a medical marijuana initiative."

No they didn't. The state law only applies to severely ill patients and their primary care giver (which is defined by state law as the patient's doctor). It does not apply to third party MJ growers, like Ed.

--Boot Hill

[tdadams]

What social welfare system will you pay for to support them for the next 50 years of their non-productuve life?

I won't, and don't, support any social welfare system, now or in the future. I believe in private charity and indivudual responsibility. If someone's own behavior screws up their life, let them live with the consequences. Only when people see that they can't mooch off of society will they straighten up and get responsible. If not, that's their problem.

Call me a proud Darwinist.

[Dane]

Typical, Dane. In the two and some years I've seen you on these types of threads, you've never posted anything but flippant and irrelevant quips that contribute nothing to the debate and do nothing to support your position.

As a lay psychologist, I realize that this is due to your subconscious realization that the facts aren't on your side so the best you can do is dismiss the valid arguments of those who disagree with you.

Wow being psychoanalyzed for stating the obvious that radical leftist San Francisco congresswoman, Nancy Pelosi, would probably be the person who would be the most sympathetic to the plight of one of her constituents, pot grower and High Times editor, Ed Rosenthal.

BTW, don't bother sending me a bill for your quackery.

[Mr. K]

you make a good point- this man could have opened a HUGE can o' worms for the feds if he had insisted that states rights take precidence over federal (instead of seeming to be the other way around)

Notice that the feds seem to think that it is no matter what a state does, because federal law trumps any state law- but that is NOT what the constitution intended...

And if this man had won on that grounds this would have been a LANDMARK case...!!!

[MindBender26]

If 15% of students are stoned to that degree by 3rd period, what does that say about our schools, teachers, and parents? Sorry, I'm not buying that claim. I think you've been reading the newest edition, updated for the Ashcroft era, of "Reefer Madness."

Actually, no.

One of my client companies works in the anti-drug field. This is not Reefer Madness 2003; This is Reality 101.

Please go see for yourself. Get the required permissions and walk into some classroms for a "taxpayer's evaluation." Don't let the administration choose the classroom. You do that. Even better, find a way to watch, unobserved, from the hallway, so you do not upset the typical routine.

What does it say about our treachers? It says many of them are far-left liberals hiding in a profession where the union fights any attempt to have them accountable for their work and/or performance. Does that surprize any FReeper?

What does it say about our schools? Answer that yourself. Remember when running in the hallway was the biggest problem in our elementary school? Were their any rapes, muggings, armed robberies or killings in your junior high school? Did the thought or worry about those things even cross your mind, or your parents' minds when you were in 8th grade? Today, schools are simply cesspools where the lowest common denominator rules. Think drugs are only in "bad" schools? Ask any kid. They are everywhere, in every high school. Ask your kids or a neighboor's kid how long it would take to score some coke in your "good" school. Bet it is less than 10 minutes, and the dealer will deliver! Does that surprize any FReeper?

(Why in the "good" schools? because that's where the kids with money to buy the stuff go to school!)

What does it say about parents? it's simple. They are AWOL on the issue as the sheeple are AWOL on all the most important ethical, moral and legal issues of our time! Does that surprize any FReeper!

Please, you sound like someone who cares, not some doper. Go see for yourself. First you will be shocked. Then you will be angry. Please use that anger to do something about the problem in your area.

[MindBender26]

Great, you use, as evidence, a letter written by a paid proponent of dope. Smart, very smart.

Perhaps it might be smarter if you read High Times own stories where they teach kids to grow high potencency pot, and the successes they have had with it.

Secondly, on Pot v. Coke 1 for 1 exchanges: Put up $250,000 in cash. I will too. If I can show you video of same, I win. No video, you win. (PS, I'm cheating, because my company helped develop and install the hidden cameras that recorded the transactions. We used 3d gen night vision gear, downline from a 3 way video prism splitter and 1200mm lens to get the good video and a series of phased parabolic mikes to get the audio. It was good enough to send 3 Columbians, 3 US biker types and 2 Canadians to jail for 12 years!

[MindBender26]

Well stated in part, but how many people are now on welfare because they burned their brains out on drugs?

Answer?

Too many... and we pay for it.

[Wolfie]

How many transactions? Is it a prevalent practice? Do you count as a success of the Drug War that marijuana is, in some cases, as expensive as cocaine?

[MrLeRoy]

how many people are now on welfare because they burned their brains out on drugs?

Answer?

Too many... and we pay for it.

Ditto for those on welfare due to alcohol use. Should we therefore ban alcohol?

[MrLeRoy]

Please go see for yourself. Get the required permissions and walk into some classroms for a "taxpayer's evaluation."

We're not doing your homework for you---when YOU make a claim, the burden is on YOU to supply evidence.