Policy makers ignore alcohol in drug combat

The Daily Herald (UT) ^ | January 31, 2003 | Rick Soulier

[ErnBatavia]

I've been waiting for one of these threads to post this link (and I'm still lousy at posting links)...

http://www.blurofinsanity.com/mugshots/mugshot_horror.html

[tacticalogic]

Also, it ignores other factors, such as those listed in my post #86. It attempts to quantify something (danger) that is subjective as it's sole criterion.

Looking at your list, I find those statements somewhat inconsistent, particularly in regards to #6.

[robertpaulsen]

MrLeRoy had the same question. I answered him, as I do you, in my post #86 on this thread.

Check my source in the tag line. The WOD does not use a "danger scale".

Schedules I through V in the CSA differ on 'potential for abuse' and 'level of dependency', not danger.

[Pahuanui]

Hey, Pahuanui, how's the hash growing on the island this year?

I have no idea.

FYI, hash doesn't 'grow', it's made.

[FreeTally]

Ok, lets see.....

1) Its actual or relative potential for abuse.

That falls under danger. No one ever uses the term "abuse" unless the "abuse" results in some subjective or objective harm.

(2) Scientific evidence of its pharmacological effect, if known.

And if the affects are not dangerous, no regulatory or governmental agency cares.

(3) The state of current scientific knowledge regarding the drug or other substance.

This makes no sense, other than to say "if its dangerous, then it should be regulated". So far, no argument that isn't based upon "danger".

(4) Its history and current pattern of abuse.

The dangers of abuse, yet again.

(5) The scope, duration, and significance of abuse.

The danegrs of abuse, yet again.

(6) What, if any, risk there is to the public health.

This is the only "danger" I would consider. However, the only way "public health" can be harmed is through such things as pollution, not individual drug use as my neighbors heroine addiction does not harm or help my health.

(7) Its psychic or physiological dependence liability.

Danger, yet again.

(8) Whether the substance is an immediate precursor of a substance already controlled.

Circular reasoning.

Now, you told me you don't buy the danger scale, but all eight of your criteria are based upon danger. Thanks for wasting my time.

[dennisw]

The plight of other drug abusers doesn't even register on their radar screens.

Or how about their family? How would they feel about a 14 sister who is lured to addiction by an older boy friend? Of course it will be illegal for 14 year olds to possess heroin even after legalization. But after legalization drugs will proliferate far more than today. Look how prevalent gambling is now that it's legal. Far more gaming addicts than 20 years ago.

I agree with all your points especially the "social Darwinism" factor for these cruel libertarians. This is the silly and stupid cruelty of Nietzsche that some juvenile minds latch onto. All one needs to know about Nietzsche is the kind of life he lead. There is no religion that is Nietzsche inspired except for Satanism and some paganisms.
Hard drugs are evil, Satanic. Most definitely there is a tie in between hard drugs and evil. Hard drug users are often possessed by evil sprits. Aliester Crowley shot heroin. Members of Led Zeppelin dabbled in Crowley's teachings once their brains got drug damaged. In fact Jimmy Page bought Crowley's house.

That addictive mindset accounts for their obsession with dope and dope legalization issues 24/7.

A valid point. The bozo named Leroy posted only about drugs as of 2 weeks ago. Now 47 out of 50 of his posts are about drugs. Some of the other dopetarians post about many topics.

[MEGoody]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because some chose to liberalize alcohol laws doesn't mean currently illegal drugs should be legalized.

[MrLeRoy]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because some chose to liberalize alcohol laws

So you think liberalizing alcohol laws is a wrong?

[dennisw]

My program is to try and execute major dealers of hard drugs.

Hi Dennis, do you think DWI should be punishable by death as well?

Only if shooting methedrine is no better, no worse than drinking. Go shoot up some meth. if you believe this to be true. Actually you're too pussy to do so. It's only a fate you wish on others via legalization. All part of the liberation ego trip.

[MEGoody]

"So you think liberalizing alcohol laws is a wrong?"

Yep, I do.

[MEGoody]

"So you think liberalizing alcohol laws is a wrong?"

Yep, I do.

[MrLeRoy]

[ad hominems deleted]

But after legalization drugs will proliferate far more than today. Look how prevalent gambling is now that it's legal.

Apples and oranges; drugs are much easier to hide than gambling, so laws against gambling were bound to be more effective.

[dennisw]

LET'S PARTY !
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[tacticalogic]

Hard drug users are often possessed by evil sprits.

Those are just unwanted engrams. Nothing a good auditing won't fix.

[MrLeRoy]

"So you think liberalizing alcohol laws is a wrong?"

Yep, I do.

Do you think alcohol should be banned on a national level?

[robertpaulsen]

abuse (rhymes with fuse): to harm
abuse (rhymes with moose): to misuse

I am referring to the latter, though I thought it was obvious.

[MEGoody]

"Do you think alcohol should be banned on a national level?"

Yep, I do.

[MrLeRoy]

abuse (rhymes with moose): to misuse

I am referring to the latter

What is misuse if not the self-infliction of harm?

[MrLeRoy]

What is misuse if not the self-infliction of harm?

... in the context of drug use. (Obviously you can misuse, say, a hammer without harming yourself or anyone else.)

[MrLeRoy]

"Do you think alcohol should be banned on a national level?"

Yep, I do.

Did you know we already tried that? Do you know how it turned out?