Posted on 01/29/2003 7:57:13 AM PST by TLBSHOW
The two headed coin lives!
I guess that's the internet version of "I'm taking my ball and going home!"
I hope you are right. I am going to do my part to help President Bush by calling my senators and representative and urging them to oppose this waste of 15 billion dollars of taxpayer’s money. I will suggest to them that it could better be used to secure our borders from illegal immigration. Sometimes I think Bush might be a great President like Ronald Reagan, until he pulls a stupid stunt like this.
That's priceless. Epitomizes the utter spinelessness of the denizens here.
They're giving those feminazis who stuck up for the rapist Clinton a run for their money, eh?
Unless those with AIDS are brought here to have sex or pass the disease on in some other manner I don't see how their "epidemic" will become ours.
Could you explain yourself a bit further. I simply don't see how you get from A to B.
Secondly, where is the Constitutional authorization for this expenditure? Thirdly, what "bang for the buck" are we getting for all of this "Aid for AIDS"? Where, or what, is the return on the investment?
176 philman_36
Hmmm... let me address your points one at a time, so everyone knows where I stand....
<"Unless those with AIDS are brought here to have sex or pass the disease on in some other manner I don't see how their "epidemic" will become ours.">
1. It can become our epidemic as people from Africa, fleeing the death, starvation, and chaos of their homes, seek out new lands, such as Europe (where they are now being turned away from), the US, etc... They end up here, no matter how much we don't like the idea of a porous border, where they put a strain on our healthcare system, law enforcement, and welfare systems... They bring the AIDS with them, etc....
No sale. We are perfectly capable of defending our borders.
<"Secondly, where is the Constitutional authorization for this expenditure?">
2. I think the constitutional mandate this falls under is providing for the common defense - Islam, the fastest growing religion in Africa, is a threat to our nation, it's people, and our way of life. If we do NOT do what we can to help, someone else will fill the void - Personally, I'd rather it be us. I don't LIKE the idea of it, but I see it as a necessity. There is simply no other option. An Africa under the influence of Islam is a potential danger to us - Those with no hope of a future, no hope of living much longer makes a GREAT place would be willing, if not eager, recruits as suicide bombers, etc... if they know their family will be cared for... Woudl you rather they are lifted up and helped to their feet by US, or by those who would use them against us?
Again, no sale. You are using 'defense' and the 'general welfare' clause as an excuse to mandate pre-emptive meddling in foreign states, - in the affairs of others.
<"Thirdly, what "bang for the buck" are we getting for all of this "Aid for AIDS"? Where, or what, is the return on the investment?">
3. In return, we get a continent more stable than it has ever been in recorded history, a decline in the influence of our enemies, and the satisfaction of knowing we did something worthwhile to help our fellow man... Do we get material rewards? Probably not, but that's not what life is about anyway.
Allowing our government to ignore our constitution for the "satisfaction of knowing we did something worthwhile to help our fellow man", will continue to allow liberalism to replace our liberty.
Look deeply into your claims of being a 'conservative', chad.
I guess when one has no intelligent reply, one instead talks down to the other poster. I guess your tactics haven't changed since FIJC was posting here.
I believe a vast majority of those said to be HIV+, are dying from common diseases, and the HIV is not really a factor though.
Have you noticed how very very little discussion on this aspect of AIDS in Africa you see from the normally very bright and informed members of Free Republic? I don't understand it. AIDS is this country is real and is caused, I believe, by drug use and sexual promiscuity that results in a slow but sure destruction of the immune system. It is not caused by a single virus (i.e. HIV) and cannot be transferred by a single virus. There is no proof of that commonly held belief.
In Africa every disease is diagnosed as AIDS because that generates revenue and contributions (e.g. $15B from the U.S.) That doesn't mean that people aren't dying. They are and we can help. But not by giving them the chemotherapy drugs that are sure killers. We need to give them the medicines and access to the treatments that cure what they really have in addition to educating them on what it takes to avoid getting these diseases in the first place...and that is not always just sexual advice. Treating them with drugs for a made up disease called AIDS will not get the job done.
Politically - It was brillant for all the reasons given in earlier postings. Bush has undercut the DEMS. He is using our money wisely - to defeat Democrats. What better use for taxes is there than that.
Millions of lives could have been saved if your plan would have been instigated. You are very wise. The homo-fascist have killed so many!
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