Maybe Saddam will come visit too.
We are not asking France to help us in any fashion. Just stay the hell out of the way while we and the Brits get the job done.
Maybe Saddam will come visit too.
"I am very shocked by the current propaganda against France and, in a minor extent, Germany and the EU, which is developing on the American web and media."
What propaganda? We have quietly watched your actions and listened to your verbose excuse-making and made a decision about the state of affairs that exists between our Country and a couple of our "allies". No propaganda involved. It isnt proaganda for a mathmatician to add 1+1 and say it equals 2. That would be called "reality". Perhaps something is lost in the translation.
"Bush has declared "you are with us or you are against us"… your enemies are "evil's axis"… A deeply thought political theory"
Of course the French and Germans would've rather the President of the United States had said..."you might be with us or you might be against us...who are we to say?" Fortunately for US National Security...the President isnt that sophisticated.
"Believe the experience of "old Europe", who knows a lot about the matter, and is not proud of it."
Yet somehow continues along the path that experience would seemingly warn them against. Again, maybe something is lost in the translation.
"France was on the Gulf ten years ago, when Irak invaded its neighbour, and when the coalition was covered by the UN to free Kuwait."
Yeah so were we. And?
"According to the NATO alliance, France made clear during the first hours after the 11th September that it was ready to respect its engagements if necessary."
Again, and?
"To be an ally of the USA doesn't mean to give its allegiance to the USA."
Is there a point to be made anywhere along this thought process?
"NATO should have nothing to do with "preventive wars""
I havent heard anyone in the US call on NATO to do such a thing.
"Can't you all simply understand this : as you are so powerful, rich, and influent, it's more courageous for France to refuse to engage in this war."
Courage. That is what you want to pin on your lapel as cover for cowardice? Okay, fine....you guys are courageous. Anything else you want?
BTW: Are you starting to sense some American detachment here? Much akin to a boyfriend growing tired of his exgirlfriend's attempts for reconciliation. We've moved on.
"French people are not the stupid blind nationalists that your propaganda is pretending they are."
Eitherway...who cares?
"French people know they have lost their weight in international politics."
Good for you....who cares?
"But they don't want to abandon their sovereignty to an other organisa..."
Look we gotta go. Bye.
No, dont call.
Lol, I saw this at another site and figured it would be appropriate on this thread.
Gentlemen, I look at you and I think of the words of Stephen Spender's poem. You are men who in your 'lives fought for life...and left the vivid air signed with your honor'... Forty summers have passed since the battle that you fought here. You were young the day you took these cliffs; some of you were hardly more than boys, with the deepest joys of life before you. Yet you risked everything here. Why? Why did you do it? What impelled you to put aside the instinct for self-preservation and risk your lives to take these cliffs? What inspired all the men of the armies that met here? We look at you, and somehow we know the answer. It was faith, and belief; it was loyalty and love.
--Ronald Reagan
The USA's "Jew"? I have to wonder why you chose that term. I don't consider the French the "Jew". Cowards? Well there's an old saying French rifles, never fired, dropped once. Traitors?
A deeply thought political theory which reminds me of older simplistic speeches.
It is simple. On 9/11, we were bombed. A bunch of Islamic psychoes attached civillians. I'll also say that I think Bush has actually been too restrained on this matter. I think the Saudi's should be taken out.
Believe the experience of "old Europe", who knows a lot about the matter, and is not proud of it : your war has already begun, you're under propaganda, and rational arguments don't prevail any more.
The same could be said about Europe's war begging us to get involved in Bosnia, where the USA not only didn't belong, backed the wrong side. I'm not a Milosevic defender, but the KLA in Kosovo were tied to Bin Laden. That's Billy Clinton there.
France was on the Gulf ten years ago, when Irak invaded its neighbour, and when the coalition was covered by the UN to free Kuwait.
So what?
To be an ally of the USA doesn't mean to give its allegiance to the USA.
No one asked for allegiance.
It means, in case of aggression by another state, that solidarity becomes effective. Irak has not yet attacked anyone. NATO should have nothing to do with "preventive wars".
Kuwait, Israel, US assasination attempt. Not attacked anyone?
Can't you all simply understand this : as you are so powerful, rich, and influent, it's more courageous for France to refuse to engage in this war.
No. It's easy. The French culture is anti-Americans, specifically against Conservative Americans and Libertarian Americans. It part of elitist European culture in general. We're from two different worlds.
French people are not the stupid blind nationalists that your propaganda is pretending they are.
Hell, I respect nationalists. It's not blind nationalism, but blind Anti-Americanism.
this war will create thousands of new terrorists full of hate for America.
Well, Islamic Nutcases hate us already and I wear that as a badge of honor. It won't create terrorists. These terror nuts are already there. BTW - It sure sounds like these Islamic nuts don't like your country much either. From the news I've read, it sure sounds like your cities' suburbs are stricken by a crimewave...with the perps almost always being Islamic nuts.
A government only makes war for its own interest.
No Shit Sherlock.
This war is for the Iraki oil, and to be more independent of Saudi Arabia, the country of the 11th September terrorists, where Al Qaida money comes from.
We NEED to be independent of the Saudis.
But stop talking about democracy, and the Good against Evil. This is not Starwars. This is not a Tolkien's story.
Well, Saddam is certainly an evil bastard. Now to be honest, I'm on the fence with a war against Iraq. If it was a war against the Saudi's, I'd be on board. I haven't seen all the evidence, and I don't take anyone's word for it offhand.
S. Hussein is a dictator, he has massacred and tortured. He probably owns and surely has owned chemical and biological weapons.
Yeah. He has.
But what about Libya, Iran, North Korea, China in Tibet, Russia in Chechnya, Israel in Palestine, etc… ?
MORE LIKE "PALESTINE"(which isn't even a real country) in ISRAEL.
France is a traitor, France is isolated - isolated with the rest of the world except the OTAN. That's what your leaders need to make you believe because they don't want you to know that you have mainly a simple Anglo-Saxon coalition.
I didn't expect many allies, and I frankly could care less. If we have to go it alone, than that's the way it goes.
OTAN : approximately 20 countries with the new eastern members - less France, Germany, and Benelux. The rest of the world : Asia, Africa, South America, the Middle East… And the rest of the world fears you but it doesn't love you.
Don't care.
They have succeeded in being hated by the whole Moslem world - which owns the main oil reserves. Is it so enjoyable that they now need to invective and humiliate the western European countries trying to build their political union ? Do they love so much to be hated ?
I don't like Moslems so it's mutual. Who is causing most of the world violence. Moslems. Nigeria, Sudan, Lebanon, Yassir Arafat, Indonesia, Phillipines(sp), India, Pakastan, Chechnia(sp) - All Muslim.
To conclude, here's the dream your government is currently destroying by its politics in western Europe - it was made by an "old", "disloyal", "nationalist", "chauvinist" Frenchman (even a bit socialist, what a monster ! …) :
I wish the socialists out here in the US went your way. We don't want those jackbooted thugs.
