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Calif. Bishop To Gov. Davis: Pick Abortion Or Communion [formal excommunication?]
National Catholic Register ^ | Feb, 2-9, 2003 | WAYNE LAUGESEN

Posted on 01/28/2003 12:31:41 PM PST by Polycarp

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To: Polycarp
"I, myself, thought I would live and die Catholic," Lopez said. "Now I don't know. It depends on how ugly this gets. They're obviously trying to beat us up, and we're not backing down.

Well, fine, you can make that choice. Mr. Lopez is obviously seeking the approval of men and places that ahead of his relationship with God. He is free to make that choice, but he will pay a high price for choosing poorly.

The Church has so many problems right now that I'm surprised the diocese is embarking on something that's this exclusionary and divisive."

The only problem the church has had in dealing with this issue is a short supply of guts in facing up to the problem of public figures openly defying the teaching of the church. Sounds like they're in the process of addressing that issue.

And they're not "embarking" on anything that hasn't always been part and parcel of Catholic doctrine. They're just trying to do a better job of informing members of the consequences of their choices. So, in that sense, they're practicing a Catholic flavor of "pro-choice", stay in the church and continue to receive the sacraments, or not.

21 posted on 01/28/2003 1:13:16 PM PST by chimera
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To: Polycarp
Davis has taken exception to Bishop Weigand's statement and says he will neither stop taking Communion nor renounce legalized abortion

Talk about arrogance
Typical egotistical politician
Politicians like used car salesmen are a special breed
22 posted on 01/28/2003 1:14:16 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Xenalyte
They rarely do T&A's any more, antibiotics are generally prescribed instead.

There are 4400 abortions daily, or approximately one every 20 seconds.

I think vasectomies are the other most common procedure.

--Dr. Kopp

24 posted on 01/28/2003 1:16:35 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: workerbee
Communists are atheists anyway...but to court political favor with Fellow Travellers and the ignorant.
25 posted on 01/28/2003 1:18:10 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Polycarp
The California electorate has some dark problems, but the ecclesiastical Catholics there shine like a cluster of brilliant stars.
26 posted on 01/28/2003 1:24:52 PM PST by .30Carbine
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To: workerbee
Curious standard of pick and choose, I'd say.

The hallmark of a Cafeteria Catholic...

27 posted on 01/28/2003 1:25:13 PM PST by COBOL2Java
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To: Polycarp
Thanks for the ping. This is such heartening news! Praying that we'll see more of this...
28 posted on 01/28/2003 1:31:00 PM PST by COBOL2Java
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To: Polycarp
"This is very curious to me," Bishop Weigand said. "He's obviously not very informed about the teachings of the Church."

This is true for so many catholics!! Were they aware, the abuses would stop.

Go Weigand!!! We're behind you ALL THE WAY!

29 posted on 01/28/2003 1:31:27 PM PST by NYer (Kyrie Eleison)
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To: Polycarp
Yeah! He's my Bishop!

From the little I know about Bishop Weigand, he has always been publicly a very strong advocate for the unborn, but he also seems shy in a way, not really a public speaker. He has really impressed me.

One thing that struck me is that the Bishop said he has been trying to resolve this with Davis privately, but Davis refuses to meet and he had no recourse, after the orphanage incident and the attacks by the Governor on Monsignour Kavanaugh to address the matter publicly.

It makes me think that there might be more of this that is going on, and I think it's only right that the Bishop's try and solve these situations in private whenever possible. The Church is not out to embarrass anyone, and doesn't want to excommunicate anyone. But to call yourself a faithful Catholic over and over, but denounce the teachings of the church, eventually something has to give. Davis has brought this problem on himself. He didn't have to bring his religion up into the public arena -- there are many pro-abort Catholics in the Legislature who simply don't talk about being Catholic (they KNOW what they are doing is wrong, so not talking about it they think it can go away). But Davis made a POINT to say it's OK to be Catholic and pro-abortion. He has NO right to say that.

I wrote Bishop Weigand a letter after the pro-life mass, and anyone in the Sacramento Diocese, please write him and pledge your support for his statements, and whatever decision he makes. This can't be an easy time for him, and he needs the support of the faithful.

God bless.

30 posted on 01/28/2003 1:40:28 PM PST by Gophack
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To: Gophack
Address please? I'm in NYC, but I'll gladly write the man.
31 posted on 01/28/2003 1:47:09 PM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: Polycarp
"I, myself, thought I would live and die Catholic," Lopez said. "Now I don't know. It depends on how ugly this gets. They're obviously trying to beat us up, and we're not backing down."

We lived out in California for a while, and attended mass there. It struck me that the Catholic Church in California has far more sway over property than over souls. I suspect the real "faithful" could easily fit into a tiny fraction of the churches.

32 posted on 01/28/2003 1:53:49 PM PST by madprof98
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To: Gophack
He has NO right to say that.

Actually, it's a free country. He has the right to say that.

However, it's a completely false statement. He knows that. He's lying, when he says that.

And it's a free country. The rest of us (including Bishop Weigand) have a right to say that Gay Davis is a liar.

33 posted on 01/28/2003 1:54:27 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Polycarp
"I'm surprised the diocese is embarking on something that's this exclusionary and divisive."

Nobody was more "divisive" than Jesus when it came to dividing sinful behavior from sinless behavior. Clearly the bishop is not cowed by Davis' PC malarkey.

34 posted on 01/28/2003 2:02:03 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: B Knotts
We must pray for the conversion of the governor's heart.

Amen.

35 posted on 01/28/2003 2:50:25 PM PST by Siobhan (+ Jesus, I trust in you. +)
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To: Polycarp
Three cheers for Sacramento, Calif., Bishop William Weigand.

I'll be sure to call his office and thank him for his couragous stand on this issue.

36 posted on 01/28/2003 2:55:58 PM PST by Smogger
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To: Polycarp
The Bishop's words are admirable, but Davis attends Mass in Santa Monica, the domain of Cardinal Mahony. You think Mahony is going to deny him communion or excommunicate him?

Davis hates Sacramento and spends as little time there as possible.

37 posted on 01/28/2003 2:58:06 PM PST by Scupoli
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To: Polycarp
"The governor is a faithful, practicing Catholic who attends Mass in West Hollywood,"

This should tell everyone all they need to know about Davis's Catholic beliefs. Of course they will give him Communion there - it is Sodom of the south!

38 posted on 01/28/2003 2:58:15 PM PST by CA Conservative
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To: Smogger
I am not Catholic, but my girlfriend is, and she is also a lawyer. She invited me to the Red Mass, and I promised to go with her just to be supportive. Now I am looking forward to it! Here's hoping I get to see Gray Davis and all of the other pro-abort Catholic politicians refused Communion!
39 posted on 01/28/2003 3:00:58 PM PST by CA Conservative
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To: Polycarp
How does one contact the good bishop to encourage and thank him?
40 posted on 01/28/2003 3:12:15 PM PST by Notwithstanding (Are you pro-abortion because you were involved with one?)
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