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Park Ranger Cites Militia Leader, Seizes His Gun
The Arizona Daily Star ^
| Monday, January 27, 2003
| Tim Steller
Posted on 01/27/2003 1:25:59 PM PST by Spiff
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To: dirtboy
*Firearms are prohibited (firearms transported in vehicles must be unloaded, broken down, and out of sight)*
In a frickin' park. That is just irritating to read.
Here is a compromise for the Park Rangers. My compact .45 will be out of sight (strapped to my ankle) but not broken down or unloaded.
To: Cultural Jihad
You have to admit that a man who is so incensed at law-breaking immigrants that he goes out and breaks the laws himself is not really an advocate for law and order. Oh yes, compared to the massive titanic lawlessness created by this government sponsored invasion of millions, this man should be prosecuted, jailed, fined, and made to walk the government gang plank into hell.
I'm glad to see that you agree. Maybe he can be made an example of for all the other law-breakers and anarcho-militia-nutcases.
Yes all heads down.
Some neocons on this site make me feel like I'm selling American flags at a Ali Baba concert in downtown Bagdad.
To: thepitts
There's more to this story than meets the eye...Yup. And watch for it to get even more strange and twisted in the next few days...
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posted on
01/27/2003 6:43:48 PM PST
by
JackelopeBreeder
("Push to test." <click> "Release to detonate." Uhh, lemme see that manual again.)
To: JackelopeBreeder
Bet the rent.....
To: Poohbah
Nope. Being under arrest has a legal meaning.
You are told you are under arrest.
You are read your Miranda rights
You are searched and handcuffed.
You are taken to the station and booked.
If this doesn't happen you are not under arrest.
Being detained for awhile is not being under arrest.
Being stopped for a traffic violation is not being under arrest.
Being given a ticket for that violation is not being under arrest.
To: chaosagent
Being detained for awhile is not being under arrest. Being stopped for a traffic violation is not being under arrest. Being given a ticket for that violation is not being under arrest. When you get a speeding ticket do they routinely sieze your vehicle? Ah, you forgot, "He and Dore were detained for about 3 1/2 hours, and some belongings were seized, Simcox said. Those belongings included a scanner, two two-way radios, his camera, a cell phone and his pistol".
Why would they do this without an arrest? And do you really feel that this ranger just happened to be hiding in the bushes was all just an accident?
To: chaosagent
Nope. Being under arrest has a legal meaning.And that incident met the description of an arrest.
You are told you are under arrest.
Wrong. I've been legally "arrested" without ever being told it explicitly. If the officer says you can't leave of your own free will, or attempts to interfere with your efforts to do so, you're under arrest.
You are read your Miranda rights
Not always. Again, I've been "arrested" in the legal sense without getting Miranda'd.
You are searched and handcuffed.
The former of which happened in this case.
You are taken to the station and booked.
Not always.
If this doesn't happen you are not under arrest.
Please don't go into legal practice.
Being detained for awhile is not being under arrest.
Until the cop says you can go...you're legally under arrest.
And there have been cases of "false arrest" that have been prosecuted WRT a cop "detaining" someone without giving them their Miranda warnings or letting them go.
Being stopped for a traffic violation is not being under arrest.
Until the cop says you can go...you're legally under arrest.
Being given a ticket for that violation is not being under arrest.
Finally, you have said something correct. The act of writing a citation is, in itself, not an arrest.
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posted on
01/27/2003 6:57:40 PM PST
by
Poohbah
(Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
To: duk; Wally Cleaver
If it can happen here in the U.P. of MI, I can only imagine how bad it is elsewhere. I hear that the Yoopers can't stand the Park Service folks.
To: Joe Hadenuf
Seize.....
To: chaosagent; Poohbah
If this doesn't happen you are not under arrest.WRONG. Only under the Super-Patriot Supreme Trailer Park Court rules, is your statement correct.
Any time a person is not free to leave, then they are arrested. This can be anything from a traffic stop all the way to the presenting of a written arrest warrant. Basically, if the officer lays a hand on the subject, that person is arrested.
They will try to drag "voluntary" cooperation out as long as possible, because ther are certain procedural clocks which begin running at the time of arrest. Basically, the drill is to not say anything except a request for your attorney.
OBTW, it has to be a real attorney, you know, the kind that went to a real law school and took a real bar exam, not one of these ramshackle-compound, gun club BSers.
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posted on
01/27/2003 7:00:21 PM PST
by
Chemist_Geek
("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
To: chaosagent
Being detained for awhile is not being under arrest. Being stopped for a traffic violation is not being under arrest. Being given a ticket for that violation is not being under arrest.Do they seize all your belongings for routine traffic violations?
To: Poohbah
"But that's just my opinion..."
Sounds about right.
To: Joe Hadenuf
Do they seize all your belongings for routine traffic violations?Depends. I've seen cops seize automobiles and all property in them during "routine" drunk driving stops. Then again, when the officer asks the guy to STEP out of the car and he FALLS out, instead...mayhap it's a good idea to get him off the road :o)
And a firearms violation ain't exactly "routine."
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posted on
01/27/2003 7:09:57 PM PST
by
Poohbah
(Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
To: Joe Hadenuf
Do they seize all your belongings for routine traffic violations?It depends on the severity of the traffic violation, and how belligerent, snotty, and uncooperative the subject is.
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posted on
01/27/2003 7:10:16 PM PST
by
Chemist_Geek
("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
To: chaosagent
Being detained for awhile is not being under arrest. Wrong-O, in the state that I reside they are exactly the same thing.
To: Poohbah
For a brown-skinned 14th Amendment untermensch "citizen" DARING to enforce unconstitutional laws against Sovereign de jure Preamble Freeborn White Males Not a State Citizen? Or is that last week's theory?
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posted on
01/27/2003 7:15:21 PM PST
by
Roscoe
To: Roscoe
Oops...forgot the State Citizen part.
It's so HARD to keep up with all of the mumbo-jumbo the nutballs use...
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posted on
01/27/2003 7:16:58 PM PST
by
Poohbah
(Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
To: Poohbah
If you don't like these threads why do you always show up?troll?
To: thepitts
Gosh, did that joke land too close to home to be truly funny?
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posted on
01/27/2003 7:25:32 PM PST
by
Poohbah
(Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
To: Chemist_Geek
I think the operative word here is "routine". And no, no matter how you chop it up, they don't seize your property in routine traffic stops.
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