HILL OF BEANS - Bush's No Action On Affirmative Action

New York Press ^ | January, 2003 - Volume 16, Issue 4 | By Christopher Caldwell

[Jim Robinson]

In the entire government (the part we don't shutdown that is).

[Sabertooth]

Trillions? I don't know that and neither do you.

Sure we do. The starting price will be between $300 billion and $1 trillion in the first decade, and once a vote-buying entitlement scam gets a little steam, it always goes over budget.

Then the Babyboomers retire, and the number of retirees will skyrocket. Carry forward a couple of more decades, and you're in the cumulative trillions, easily.

Bush's prescription drug plan is a weed that can't be allowed to take root. It puts everything else at risk.

[Jim Robinson]

Keep electing conservatives (and more and more conservative as we go) and you may find that a lot of those programs get privatized (or turned back to the states) a lot sooner than you might suspect. Again, there is no other way. If you want a less liberal government, you must vote out the liberals. And you must not allow the Democrats to control the Whitehouse, the congress or the courts.

[Jim Robinson]

Well shut it down then. I'm fine with that. What's stopping you?

[cyncooper]

What are you going to do if the Liberals implement Universal Health Care and the massive tax increase it will take to fund it? What did those who cried when Bush reneged on his Read My Lips promise do after Clinton showed them what a real tax increase looked like?

Or appoint liberal justices to the bench to make a majority who would have approved the 20 point system MI had in place,that instead was struck down today (and not unanimously, proving my point).

[cyncooper]

See when Reagan dealt with the Rats, he was doing just that, dealing. He always got something back, and provided solid leadership and had great and measurable conservative victories. In a world where it seemed all was against him, he won the cold war and made drastic and very fundamental changes to the tax structure. He was a conservative giant, Bush '43 is a mental midget.

GWB just gives it all away in a pathetic attempt to garner political wins, and our country is suffering greatly for it. He doesn't get anything in return, and if I'm not mistaken, the freak has still REFUSED to use his veto pen.

Excuse me, but this thread was resurrected today due to the Supreme Court decisions regarding affirmative action. You are aware, are you not, that the author of the majority decision upholding the law school business was by none other than Sandra Day O'Connor----REAGAN appointee?

[Fraulein]

It is absolutely insulting how the GOP just keeps ignoring their base. And they don't even seem to care. Either they no longer want our votes, or they don't feel like they really need them, or else they think that conservatives will end up voting for them, regardless of what they do, simply by default. If there are conservatives in the next election who don't vote for Bush, then I see that primarily as Bush's fault; and if other so-called conservatives think that those lost conservative votes are expendable, and also interchangeable in number with all those newly-anticipated liberal votes to the GOP, then so be it. But you can't just keep arrogantly slapping your base in the face, while at the same time demanding from them their votes. And if they don't want our votes, then why are we obligated to continue giving it to them?

[VRWC For Truth]

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[Jim Robinson]

Do you include yourself as part of the GOP base?

[Fraulein]

I have always voted a Republican ticket. And I voted for Bush Sr., Dole, and George W. Bush. However, I have been very frustrated lately with the GOP. I am feeling a total sense of powerlessness when it comes to being heard and represented by my own party. I want real conservatives, not liberals!

[Consort]

It's your fault if the Liberals get control again no matter how much you whine. That's the way it is.

[Fraulein]

So politicans are in no way accountable to the voters? Is that what you are saying?

[AAABEST]

Well we're making progress here. You started the conversation without calling me a liar, and actually made a coherant point.

I won't argue your with you about O'Conner, in fact I'll agree with it.... she's a disaster. I love Reagan, but he made some goofs, she was one of them.

That's what happens when people make decisions based on anything else than doing what's right. He needed a woman at the time and we're paying the price.

You're actually making my point in a round about sort of way.

[Consort]

So politicans are in no way accountable to the voters? Is that what you are saying?

Voters are accountable to the country. Don't enable Liberals under any circumstances...they are moving further to the Left. The GOP is still more Conservative than the Democrats.

[Jim Robinson]

Well, you could've fooled me. After reviewing your posts, I would've doubted that you'd ever voted for a Republican. Your posts read like one of those not-a-nickels-worth-of-difference-so-lets-elect-democrats types.

[AAABEST]

Things are not worse than ever. Sheesh. How soon we forget. Look, I'm sorry, I know you don't like to hear it but it's gonna take time

I've been patient Jim, and screamed and bitched and moaned then pulled to "the party" every time. My patience is running out, as I don't see what's going on as a political strategy to shrink government. It looks more like an irresponsible drunken power and money grab, when it doesn't have to be that way.

OK forget that for a sec. I'm contending that things are worse than ever based on the fact that the Fed is getting bigger, meaner and more expensive by the day (If I showed you what's happened to me during the last 2 years with my state [Jeb] and local mini-tyrants you would s**t, but that's another story).

I'm basing my contention that "things are worse than ever" on that. What are you basing your contention that things aren't worse than ever on?

[Sir Gawain]

The next step is to squash the Democrats like cockroaches at the polls.

Yeah right. Dream on. Without Nader we would have President Gore, and 75% of Americans want a prescription drug benefit.

[Uncle Bill]

"We need to focus our resentment on the appropriate parties."

Which one? The BIG GOVERNMENT socialist one or the BIG GOVERNMENT socialist one or the BIG GOVERNMENT socialist one?

[Cathryn Crawford]

I am feeling a total sense of powerlessness when it comes to being heard and represented by my own party. I want real conservatives, not liberals!

You are not alone.

[carenot]

The president's current decisions won't mean a hill of beans in the long run.

Then why would it matter, in the long run, who makes the decisions?