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Backdrop Hides `Made in China' Labels
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Posted on 01/22/2003 4:26:40 PM PST by Karsus

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To: Deb
I suppose like everybody else, she'd point out that the Rove/Bush administration got caught with their pants down.
41 posted on 01/22/2003 6:17:45 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
How?
42 posted on 01/22/2003 6:22:22 PM PST by Deb
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To: George from New England
Imagine for a minute that you have a pie. Every single year more and more people want a piece of same old thing. What results is each one having a smaller and smaller piece of the pie. In the case of economics it is a case of over production and not enough consumption. This pressure forces companies into China, whether they like it or not.

On the flip side though, if we have a strategy that focuses on making the pie itself grow bigger every year then the pressure isn't so bad. Its a race between the tortise and the hare. The latter is slow but steady 5-6% growth year on year, and the other is a wild eyed, hope for survival in a disjointed economy.

China importers are like a pack of wolves who are fighting over the existing pie, but do very little in trying to make the pie grow bigger.

There are very few, if ANY corporations that will tell you what they sell in China, in US dollars, and how much the margins are on those products.

The SEC should force them to disclose this information.

43 posted on 01/22/2003 6:25:20 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: Karsus
Why was the president at a trucking and warehouse company? Does he really think they are going to lead our economy in economic growth and job creation?
44 posted on 01/22/2003 7:04:54 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62
Well, we do have to store/ship all the 'goods' that we buy from China.
45 posted on 01/22/2003 7:21:34 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD))
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To: Karsus
I doubt that Bush knew anything about it. The advance people set these things up.

And frankly, if I was on the advance team, I would have done the same thing.
46 posted on 01/22/2003 7:29:50 PM PST by Cicero
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To: maui_hawaii
Cheaper is not always better

Yes it is.

47 posted on 01/22/2003 7:43:01 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: maui_hawaii
Imagine for a minute that you have a pie. Every single year more and more people want a piece of same old thing. What results is each one having a smaller and smaller piece of the pie.

The pie isn't the same each year. The pie gets larger.

In the case of economics it is a case of over production and not enough consumption.

This creates inventories, leading to cyclical reduction in production and discounts on current stock.

48 posted on 01/22/2003 7:45:08 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: maui_hawaii
The only solution that will keep us ahead, is to stop trying to build/make/do things that others can do cheaper.

We need to be a nation of inventors, businessmen and engineers.

We do not need textile workers.

49 posted on 01/22/2003 7:46:15 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: DAnconia55
Buy yourself a used Yugo instead of a Lexus... then tell me that.

Whats more is that Henry Ford had it right, and our corporations don't. Henry Ford paid the people who made the cars enough to afford their own products.

He probably could have paid them much less. The returns on deciding not to do that were great.

Economics is kind of like being a rancher. You gotta feed the cows and fatten them up a little before you can reap what they produce.

50 posted on 01/22/2003 7:49:48 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: George from New England
"As much as I despise the Chinese Communists this couldn't happen if there wasn't complient US companies willing to import."

It's not "compliant US companies" that are the problem. It's a US Goverment trade policy that has given foreign governments and companies free reign in the US market to do anything they want. The US govenment has sold out US business and the American worker in its almost religious devotion to "free trade." Whose job or business will be next? Maybe yours? And yes, I agree that disloyal American companies also share much of the blame too.

51 posted on 01/22/2003 7:52:52 PM PST by StormEye
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To: DAnconia55
Who says the pie gets larger? Ask the telecom industry, or the internet industry...

Even if it does grow in the general sense of the word, if the pie grows at 5% but the number of entrants grows at 10%, the pie is smaller per entrant.

This creates inventories, leading to cyclical reduction in production and discounts on current stock.

And thus it is an inefficient model.

Secondly deeper discounting is only a short term surface fix. Also, the deeper the discount the smaller the profit.

52 posted on 01/22/2003 7:55:06 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: DAnconia55
The only solution that will keep us ahead, is to stop trying to build/make/do things that others can do cheaper.

Don't bother me until you read the link I posted in post #19

We need to be a nation of inventors, businessmen and engineers... We do not need textile workers

Hah. What a joke. Your brain I guess doesn't need your hands.

You lack ideas. Just all rhetoric. Get to reality.

53 posted on 01/22/2003 7:58:33 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: StormEye
The US govenment has sold out US business and the American worker in its almost religious devotion to "free trade."

I am somewhat with you, but I think it is not free trade that has done anything. Free trade is good. Imbalanced crap, referred to as "trade" is what screws us.

Free trade is a step up.

We need fair and free trade.

With China we have a glamourized purchasing agreement. We don't have "trade" because they don't buy jack.

54 posted on 01/22/2003 8:02:12 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: DAnconia55
This creates inventories, leading to cyclical reduction in production and discounts on current stock.

A correction in production, or supply stocks is exactly what I refer to. Supply and demand are not connected when that happens.

56 posted on 01/22/2003 8:07:18 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: Karsus

57 posted on 01/22/2003 8:07:46 PM PST by Porterville
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To: maui_hawaii
Whats more is that Henry Ford had it right, and our corporations don't. Henry Ford paid the people who made the cars enough to afford their own products.

Henry Ford was an innovator, which allowed him to create a new market and new jobs, and his innovation allowed him to pay his workers well.

Now listen to president Bush's economic speeches. He never mentions innovation or creating new markets. Its always about farming, factories, or warehouses. Its about stimulating demand, so that already existing businesses will expand, but never about creating new up and comers that will challenge existing companies to expand or innovate to avoid getting replaced by the new guy.

58 posted on 01/22/2003 8:08:16 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: Karsus
This doesn't help with the Reagan Democrats.
Let's not forget Gephardts blunder also here in St. Louis back in 1988 blasting foreign owned companies while in a Moog plant (Italian co.)
59 posted on 01/22/2003 8:09:42 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Porterville

60 posted on 01/22/2003 8:10:31 PM PST by Porterville
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