Roast Attendees Take Umbrage With Stunt By Penn & Teller -article on their sacrilegious stunt

Las Vegas Review Journal ^ | Jan 17 2003 | Norm Clarke

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The World Magic Seminar website has disappeared...

http://www.worldmagicseminar.com

Here's Lance Burton's website:Lance Burton

I don't see any details from the Riviera show.

The Amazing Johnathan's website:The Amazing Johnathan

Here's Penn & Teller's website:Penn And Teller

I also checked some PAT messageboard but did not see this topic under discussion.

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"Hold muh beer 'n watch this!" PING....

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[johnb838]

That is so disgusting and infuriating that I don't even want to comment on the mind set that concludes that Christianity is a religion; religion drove the 911 attacks, ergo Christianity drives planes into buildings.

Arrrrgghhh! These freaks should be fired, at least.

[gridlock]

I agree with him that Christianity can be dangerous. Look at the Trade Center.

Those dad-burn Christian suicide bombers...

[RolandBurnam]

if christians are so dangerous, it doesn't make much sense to blatantly offend them. I'm sure by now, some dangerous christian leader has issued a death sentence on them. /sarcasm

[gridlock]

The Spanish Inquisition is drawing up the papers as we speak.

Who would have expected that?

(Now I've done it!)

[Roscoe]

The World Magic Seminar website has disappeared...

I see it.

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Here's a Usenet discussion from alt.magic where magicians and others were discussing the roast:Penn & Teller-Bad call @ World Seminier

Here is a posted excerpt from an email:

You missed a really amazing Amazing Johnathan roast. Penn came in with Teller nailed to a cross, dressed like Jesus Christ getting a b*** j** by a midget. It really offended some people. Also there were great jokes by Siegfried (surprise guest), Billy McComb, Post a follow-up to this message

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I see it loading now. I could get it to load for over 5 minutes of attempts.

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Here was the leadoff post to that thread:

I was there, along w/ about 350 magicians. People were informed up front by Rich Block That if you easy affended, not to come. We all know what can happen @ a roast. When I think of a roast I think of the Fryers Club, I dont think anyone there was prepared for what follow That Night Midway thru the Amazing Jonathan Roast.
Here in Las Vegas, The roast For the amazing Jonathan began @ 11:30 on Monday Night. small stage w about 8-10 people to Roast the Amazing Jonathan. Lance Butron Roast -no problem, Billy McComb-no problem-very funny, Mac King -all very funny,,,,,,and then Penn---
Not on stage but from the back of the room-Im sure you'll all hear about what followed. I think it was a really bad call. Many people were offended. Sorry I atttended.

[ArrogantBustard]

"This was performance art,"
This was disgusting blasphemy.

said Johnathan, who moves to a new, open-ended run at the Flamingo on Saturday. "I know that Penn is a practicing atheist,

And under American law, they have the right to express their opinion. As have I. And if my opinion is that Penn and Teller are disgusting abhominations who act outside the pale of civilised behaviour, they and their supporters shouldn't try to cry "censorship" when I say so.

and I agree with him that Christianity can be dangerous. Look at the Trade Center. That was done in the name of religion."

That was done in the name of a specific religion, which has as it's primary tenet world domination by armed force. And an atheist movement in Germany killed 13 million people. Another atheist movement, in Russia, killed more than 20 million. And an atheist movement in the United States has killed more than 40 million, and hasn't stopped. The hypocrisy (and historical ignorance) of Messrs. Jilette and Teller is astounding.

[Havoc]

The Spanish Inquisition is drawing up the papers as we speak.

Sorry, this ain't christianity. The inquisitions didn't come from Biblical teaching. And Christianity doesn't allow for this. Period. The Group that hosted this afront to Christianity a great deal in it's history if one bothers to look to tell one that it is a religion unto itself - a philosophy unto itself. So don't put this junk off on Christ. Has nothing to do with Him or His message or any Christian. Thank you.

This stuff is what ruffles my feathers. Even the Orthodoxers from which that sect broke from would tell you this stuff is wrong and not only disallowed by Christian scripture but noteably defined as sin against God. It's amazing that some here can understand that a Jeffords was not a republican though he called himself one. Try thinking about applying such thinking to the rest of your lives and see where it leads.

[Roscoe]

There was more to the five day event than Penn & Teller.

http://www.worldmagicseminar.com/images/sp_show2_11.gif

[mg39]

Penn is an a-hole. I saw their show three years ago. First he insulted religious people, then he insulted anti-fur people. Fine is he doesn't like the religious or people who are against fur, but people didn't pay big bucks to hear his religious/political views, they paid to see a magic show, and they certainly didn't pay to have their sincerely held beliefs mocked by an overweight jerk like Penn.

[EBUCK]

I'm an athiest as well but jees, this is depraved. He might do well to recognize that Christianity (and Christians) is what gave him the freedom to "express" himself as such.

I'd hate to live in a world run by athiests since most people have no self control without a guiding force and impending punnishment for wrongs.

[weegee]

I'm not attempting to post a duplicate thread here and all are welcome to post to either thread; my reason for posting this thread was because this article was originally brought to attention with a post of a World Net Daily summary.

Penn & Teller ridicule Christ's crucifixion

Some posters there wanted a "better source" than WND. I have posted the original article plus some magician spectators comments. The incident did happen although it doesn't "have legs" yet. If it were a college fraternity dressing in blackface as a prank, it would have gotten more attention from the national media.

Penn & Teller have a new show coming to Showtime. Let them know how you feel.

[Phantom Lord]

As a very poor amateur magician (close up and parlor) I find Penn & Teller to be average magicians. Though Teller is probably one of the best on the planet at the Cups & Balls.

[EBUCK]

Though Teller is probably one of the best on the planet at the Cups & Balls.

I thought that was the "small statured" guys specialty...

[weegee]

Sure there was more than this one performance (which is uncredited in the event calendar) but 2 of Vegas' top magician draws defended the act and even offered more barbs at religion/Christianity (WTC and "gospel magicians").