If my liver holds out, I'll be around forever ;-)
Posted on 01/19/2003 5:09:33 PM PST by TheMilkMan
Offense, but are you even aware of reality? At all?
I think your cavalier dismissal of my attempt to educate you re: the native american/Egyptian threat suggests you need to re-examine your realist credentials.
If my liver holds out, I'll be around forever ;-)
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It's not convincing to try to debunk something by adding your own superstitions to it.
You don't understand, it never happened.
I prefer cheap shoes and full power than good shoes, no guns and no nukes, if I were a Russian today....
I am stunned by your philosophy of cheap shoes. Very very bright.
Before and after Perestroyka. Welfare and power struggle rules! (ever heard of 911? Chechnya? Afghanistan? China-Russia multipolarity obsessions? Bin Laden, Saddam, Putin and Jiang having the same thesis against American intervention? 10,000+ nukes in Russia? Nuke proliferation in Iran, Syria, North Korea, Pakistan, India?)
Sheesh, I must be paranoiac or what?
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Makes about as much sense as the rest of stuff people who believe this sort of thing post. And neither you nor BM have addressed the much greater issue of Native American Maskirova. Just out of curiosity- is this a lyndon larouche thing? It has that same sort of ring.
What about you? Have you? No, you just blatter around a name and tell people to go look there or here. What is the gosh damn issue with Maskirova, will you tell us????????? Do they have atomic bombs, suicide bombers, power struggle and class struggle obessions? What does this have to do with the Golytsin antithesis? that is, aside from agreeing the the common thesis without thinking, that the Soviets have disintegrated... as if HIV did not cause AIDS.....
The Western individual aim of self-realization demands that the "Know thyself" principle be followed. Is that happening in Russia? Is this next generation embracing this principle at the foundation of Western capitalism?
Hardly so. We have no Nuremberg style trials. We have no disarmament movement and caution movements in Russia like we have in the West. We only have Russians mesmerized by their leaders and wishing for Russia to build an empire. In Greek culture the leader follows the character of the people and his own personal original character. In Napoleonic culture the people behave like the leader. French people are not French, they are little Napoleons. In Russia, the Russians are little Putins.
I hate to burst you guys' bubble, but that is the way it is, the barabarians are still in power and have no intention of knowing themselves except to annoint themselves with the Orthodox church and other past Soviet anthems, organs, heros and the red star in their army. Add to that tolerance of documented human rights violations in Chechnya that we would not even dare do ourselves, a complete black out on the Moscow theater intervention, and the fast organization of Neo-Nazies accross the nation, and Russia is only at a return of pre-1917 revolutionary days, with post-communists still firmly in power and who will not give it up.
Power and class struggle is the motto for communists and powers in Russia are maintaining it that way while annointing themselves and playing around with "past" hymns.
"What about you? Have you?"
I assume you're are referring to my statement that neither you nor BM have addressed the issue of Native Americans pretending to be defeated. Since I brought this up in the first place in post 51 to BM, I would say yes, I have addressed it. Here's a clue- the Indians are defeated- my suggestion that they are not is a joke, an example of an absurd conspiracy theory...much like this thread.
"you just blatter around a name and tell people to go look there or here."
I don't speak idiot, so I'm not sure I can translate this, but I think the name you're referring to is lyndon larouche, and perhaps "look here and there" refers to my inviting BM to check out "21st Century Technology", a magazine published under larouche's direction.
Lyndon Larouche is a former socailist/nutball, who is now...just a nutball. He was fond of conpsiracy theories like "Queen Elizabeth started the Beatles to undermine American and get us hooked up dope, the production and sale of which she controls.
What is the gosh damn issue with Maskirova, will you tell us?????????
Okay, my fault. The word is actually spelled "Maskirovka"- I left out a "k".
From a thirty second Google search:
"Maskirovka is actually a very broad concept that encompasses many English terms. These include: camouflage, concealment, deception, imitation, disinformation, secrecy, security, feints, diversions, and simulation. While terms overlap to a great extent, a complication is that the Russian term is greater than the sum of these English terms. Thus, those in the West should attempt to grasp the entire concept rather than its components. This concept, because of the Soviet "mind-set," permeates the entire nation. It is practiced throughout Soviet society and is not just a military term. It is a part of published Soviet data and figures as they relate to the economy, agricultural, or industrial production."
In other words, operations similar to the ones you and BM and others suggest has been going on ever since Perestroika. The idea is that the Soviets practiced deception as a matter of course- maps, production figures, weather data, all were falsified in order to mislead the enemy. Although the article at the beginning of the thread doesn't used the term, what the author is suggesting is that the collapse of the CCCP is actually a Maskirovka (masquerade) operation.
Hope that helped.
Sorry for the misunderstanding on this point. It is a frightening concept of mad people, and it is strange indeed why this concept is not mentioned by the defector himself. Thanks for your input.
This thread is about debunking the conspiracy theories about the West. It is in part to examplify that such conspiracy theory might emanate from the East and reds, since this is the purpose of Soviet deception itself. So your deploring the existance of socialists ravening in conspiracies of the Queen go along with this thread on Perestroika deception that aimed to create the sensation of a western conspiracy and the non-existence of the communist conspiracy for world dictatorship.
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