Are Two of Three US Anti-Iraq Warfronts Buckling? [DEBKA]

DebkaFILES ^ | 01/18/2003 | DEBKA

[Publius Maximus]

Interesting....It does seem every day like the pendulum swings, first in a favorable light, then in an unfavorable light. Note today the anti-war demonstrations and the bad poll numbers, and now the buckling of Turkey and Jordan (if this is true).

Again, thank God adults are in the White House - for now. You never know where this wacky world is headed.

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[Poohbah]

You forgot the standard "DEBKA Ignorant Bloviations" alert...

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

I'm hoping the Jordan and Turkey hedging is just disinformation.

[Momaw Nadon]

Attack on Iraq Betting Pool

[isthisnickcool]

DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military sources and experts at work.

[AntiGuv]

Debka is a Mossad propaganda front, but marked anyhow for later perusal...

[The Obstinate Insomniac]

bump

[LarryM]

It's true. Turkey has already stabbed us in the back and Jordan is in the process. Bush will have to operate entirely through Kuwait. He is also going to need to stick it to the treacherous bastards who double cross us.

[Stultis]

What led America’s two staunchest allies in the Middle East to turn their backs?

DEBKAfile’s Middle East sources offer three primary explanations:

Which amount to:

1) Guilt (that their regimes might be fully worthy of such overthrow)

2) Bigotry (the moral superiority of kahfirs -- even conditional, and wrt to a psychopathic, war-mongering, genocidal dicator, hated and feared by other arab leaders -- cannot be in any wise conceeded)

3) Cowardice

[NeonKnight]

Good, it's cheaper this way. We don't have to pay Turkey and Jordan for their efforts. When the war is over and Turkey and Jordan realize that they are being left out of the spoils of war....well....

[NeonKnight]

Also, it relieves us of having to make any promises to Turkey in regards to the Kurds.....The Turks will never be allowed in the EU now....they were counting on our support.

[McGavin999]

These people need to know that they have a choice, it's entirely theirs. They are either with us, or they are with the terrorists. If they are NOT with us, then we know exactly where they stand and sooner or later we'll get around to them. There will be no forgiveness after the fact.

Americans are very, very slow to anger. Usually we're pretty forgiving, but this is different. This time it's our survival and we will long remember those who stood with us and those who did not. I would NOT like to be in the shoes of those who did not.

[EaglesUpForever]

Usually we're pretty forgiving, but this is different.

AMEN. I will never forget 9/11, and they have a choice: WITH us, or AGAINST us. Hopefully DEBKA is off base here...

[marron]

I would not want to be in the shoes of any "ally" who let us go to war without them.

After the fighting is over, if we have done it without the Turks, then we owe them nothing. Restraining the formation of a Kurdish homeland wasn't going to be easy anyway. If the Turks do not support us, we have no reason to try and restrain it at all.

Jordan is the historical Palestinian homeland. The king sits on a potential powderkeg, as he and his non-Jordanian family rule a people that is not his. In the aftermath of the war there would be no reason not to push for democracy in Palestine, which is to say, Jordan. Democracy means the end of Jordan's foreign royals.

The Saudis have done more than any other regime to create the situation we face, being as they are the original sponsors of Al Qaeda, and have yet to completely disavow them. We are giving them one chance to get on the right side of things. We gave the Taliban a similar chance, out of respect for our previous relations. They failed to take advantage of their one chance, and we were forced to squash them like a bug.

The Saudis have just been given their one chance. They must not blow it, unless they are prepared to spend the remainder of their days in Ibiza. They will not long remain in Riyadh if we are forced to take Baghdad without their help.

We are capable of doing what we have to do from our bases in the Gulf, and Kuwait, if need be. Our friends must understand that we are not kidding, and one-way friendships are out of fashion.

[concerned about politics]

DEBKA

First of all, Bush's poll numbers are doing great. The "bad" polls done by the socialist left are even within "good" range. Polls are not a problem.
Second, Debka has a tendancy to ad lib - go to the extreme in it's reporting. They love to create fear and chaos in their readers.
It would be wiser to wait for a more sane source on this issue.

[Mackey]

I wonder if the Turks will end up entering northern Iraq anyway, but after Baghdad falls, in order to prevent the formation of a Kurdish state on their southern border.

[arthurus]

We are capable of doing what we have to do from our bases in the Gulf, and Kuwait, if need be

I really think that W does not need any permissions to use whatever land area he needs to use or fly anywhere.

[Kryptonite]

Well, the Turks will say that they did support us, by letting 20,000 or so troops stage there. Sure, it falls short of the 80,000 we had in mind, but we won't be able to say that they did nothing for us.

[Thane_Banquo]

I generally don't like Michael Savage's pessimism, but he's right on one point: Our enemies don't fear us like they should.