Connecting the War on Guns & Drugs [my title]

SHOTGUN NEWS ^ | 1/11/03 | Amicus Populi

[Roscoe]

Well, then you CERTAINLY won't buy land in this country, or any country I can think of.

Does squatting count?

[BOOTSTICK]

Hey genious, if we make drugs legal, who in their right mind will market legal cocaine, heroin, crack, and the like??{psssst ever hear of the tobacco liability lawsuits???}REMEMBER THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY MOTTO :" GIVE ME LIBRIUM, OR GIVE ME METH"

[takenoprisoner]

Good grief. Most drugs are already legal.

Just this last week a women in a suv pulled out in front of my cousin totalling his Camaro. He called me and I rushed to the scene since it was nearby as he had just left my office.

I stood on the curb observing the scene of the accident as she was arrested. From her behavior I assumed she was drunk. Turns out she was driving under the influence of prescribed and legal drugs...and not one of those "illicit" ones that you fear which obviously inhibited her ability to drive.

Could you have prevented her with a law?

[takenoprisoner]

Roscoe: "Does squatting count?"

I believe that is what you do here. Does it count? Nope

[takenoprisoner]

bootstick asks: "who in their right mind will market legal cocaine, heroin, crack, and the like?"

Who in their right mind markets any drugs? Hello, pharmaceutical companies do. Have you been injured by a legally prescribed drug? If so, there are innumerable TV lawyers pleading for your case.

[Roscoe]

Libertarian beliefs bear little resemblance to reality.

[tpaine]

Nothing is 'real' to a delusionary roscoe.

[dcwusmc]

In other words, you have no citation for your outlandish contention that FedGov or the States own all the land, is that about the sum of it?

[Texaggie79]

"when your local government votes on local laws" these laws must conform to the base principles of our constitution.

No friggin duh. And to bad for you local and state drug laws, in no way, violate the USC.

[Texaggie79]

Well, I guess, since squatting is basically acting like you own all rights to the land, most uninformed people do just that.

[Texaggie79]

Could you have prevented her with a law?

But you must ask, what WORSE would she be on if everything were legal and accessible.

[Texaggie79]

The "citation" is at your local courthouse, are you too lazy to go look it up? Go read what rights you have to your land and tell me if you have ALL rights to your land.

Where else would you think I would be able to use as a source to prove this to you?

[Roscoe]

Since they seem to believe that property ownership is some kinda free lunch, squatting seemed an apt analogy.

"It is agreed by those who have seriously considered the subject, that no individual has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land, for instance. By an universal law, indeed, whatever, whether fixed or movable, belongs to all men equally and in common, is the property for the moment of him who occupies it, but when he relinquishes the occupation, the property goes with it. Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society." --Thomas Jefferson

[Roscoe]

Hey, it's my land so I can dig up all these department of water and power pipes, can't I?

[dcwusmc]

It figures, Roscoe. So you'd favor letting R. Kelly define pedophilia. It's the same thing, after all. Government does NOT DEFINE our rights. We are BORN with them. The sole legitimate function of government is to protect the equal rights of ALL. No more, no less. Our rights include anything we wish to do which does not require an UNWILLING outside party to fulfill. And government's function is NOT to protect people from themselves, keep property values high or rob one group of people to pay for the fantasies of another group, such as WODDIES.

[Roscoe]

"It is agreed by those who have seriously considered the subject, that no individual has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land, for instance. By an universal law, indeed, whatever, whether fixed or movable, belongs to all men equally and in common, is the property for the moment of him who occupies it, but when he relinquishes the occupation, the property goes with it. Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society." --Thomas Jefferson

[dcwusmc]

Cite a law that says that government owns all the land. If it's true, I'm sure you can do that. It must be there, right? Cite one law that says so. Is that asking too much? Must be, because there IS NO SUCH LAW. And if you'd lie about this, what else would you NOT lie about?

[tpaine]

Therefore, when your local government votes on local laws, those very laws are directly effecting the land you own rights to.
It is subject to them, and any violation of them is punishable by government.
-ta79-

Lord but you are dense.

The issue is, that "when your local government votes on local laws" these laws must conform to the base principles of our constitution.
- You deny this simple fact.
519 tpaine


No friggin duh. And to bad for you local and state drug laws, in no way, violate the USC.
529 -ta79-

There you go again, proving my point. You deny, deny, deny. - Weird.

[tpaine]

takenoprisoner:
"Could you have prevented her with a law?"


But you must ask, what WORSE would she be on if everything were legal and accessible.
531 -ta79-

No, a rational person would not 'ask' that at all. -- You have once again demonstrated your near total inablity to comprehend the role of the rule of law in a free republic.
It is, imo, a constitutional principle, a 'given', that law does not/cannot prevent misbehavior. It can only punish.

[Roscoe]

"A right of property in moveable things is admitted before the establishment of government. A separate property in lands, not till after that establishment. The right to moveables is acknowledged by all the hordes of Indians surrounding us. Yet by no one of them has a separate property in lands been yielded to individuals. He who plants a field keeps possession till he has gathered the produce, after which one has as good a right as another to occupy it. Government must be established and laws provided, before lands can be separately appropriated, and their owner protected in his possession. Till then, the property is in the body of the nation, and they, or their chief as trustee, must grant them to individuals, and determine the conditions of the grant." --Thomas Jefferson