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Man Wants Punishment for Dog Shooting
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| 01-10-03
| JOHN GEROME
Posted on 01/10/2003 11:54:17 AM PST by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
That dog made a bee line for him.You must have seen a different video than I did. In the one I saw, the small, tail wagging dog circles off to the right.
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Bee line:
shortest line from one place to another, like that of a bee to its hive when loaded with honey; an air line. ``A bee line for the brig.'' --Kane.
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posted on
01/10/2003 12:25:03 PM PST
by
per loin
To: Severa
They certainly can be heard saying that. But why would a cop listen to a citizen?
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posted on
01/10/2003 12:25:29 PM PST
by
EBUCK
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To: per loin
Yah, the dog left the screen to the right then he ends up coming straight for the cop from the right, the cop only has a moment to brace (takes one step to the rear??)...perhaps I should look at it again (there is only one version I think)
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posted on
01/10/2003 12:27:25 PM PST
by
EBUCK
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To: All
"He was alone" should have read, "He was not alone"
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posted on
01/10/2003 12:28:00 PM PST
by
scouse
To: EBUCK
From what I saw...subjective of course, the dog bounded out of the car, nosed around a bit then exited screen right. When next appearing, he was heading straight toward the cop at speed (wolfie, I read about the flashlight thing too, but the cop couldn't have known this), the cop took a step back (perhaps bracing his weapon) and fired at the dog point blank. I've been around long enough to know your views on these issues, so I respect your opinion. And I can see your point.
Perhaps what bothers me so much is the fact that these cops apparently demonstrated no regret for their actions until this story became national news.
To: EBUCK
officer hall is an idiot, but the bad culture among the police encourages this. Then the stupid dumb ass jerk-off police chiefs refuse to bring order in their ranks. This man should've been fired already. I don't think it's proper to jail police when they do bad things, just fire them, but fire them quickly and without excessive consideration for the officer's point of view. The citizens are the ones who matter here, not the cops, if the cops don't know that, then they shouldn't wear the uniform.
To: NittanyLion
Perhaps what bothers me so much is the fact that these cops apparently demonstrated no regret for their actions until this story became national news.That gets me too. Not only that but if two things had been done it would have been a normal cop/subject interaction.
1. If the cops had decided to find out what was going on "before" forcably evacuating the vehicle it would have been over before it even started.
2. Failing #1, they should have quickly begun to realize that the family were not a band of crooks and taken heed to their request to close the door.
They did neither which is a result of their military training IMO.
so I respect your opinion. And I can see your point.
Thanks, that makes two of us, LOL.
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posted on
01/10/2003 12:40:41 PM PST
by
EBUCK
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To: Red Jones
I don't think it's proper to jail police when they do bad things, just fire them,Why??? Please explain why cops should be held to a lower standard, with less in the way of consequenses, than normal folk.
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posted on
01/10/2003 12:42:09 PM PST
by
EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
Please explain why cops should be held to a lower standard, with less in the way of consequenses, than normal folk. Lack of competence?
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posted on
01/10/2003 12:50:43 PM PST
by
Grut
To: Grut
Lack of competence is no excuse is it? Will lack of competence get you or I out of a murder charge?
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posted on
01/10/2003 12:51:54 PM PST
by
EBUCK
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To: Red Jones
If they don't fire this guy, somewhere down the way the police department might be facing some severe charges. He's obviously a man of poor judgment and shouldn't be entrusted with a badge, much less a gun.
I hope the family gets some sort of financial settlement. That won't, of course, make up for the loss of their beloved pet.
To: EBUCK
I'll explain that. A police officer learns to do his job from the other police officer and from the people designated to teach him his job. Sometimes they do bad things that can be interpreted as crimes, but they are generally just doing their job as they feel they've been taught or that they've learned from others. The officers who beat Rodney King were just acting in good faith and doing their job. If they were doing their job wrong or in a manner we disapprove of, then we should fire them, not throw them in jail. An officer makes a mistake for whatever reason and someone may die from that mistake. But we shouldn't consider it murder. He was on the job, at worst he made a mistake. That's how we should view it. To criminalize the police because we don't like them is very unjust to the policeman and will end up in a de-policing situation. So, I think we can straighten out all the problems with police if we only fire the ones who screw up in order to set an example to other officers. If the officer only acts in good faith and makes a mistake or error in judgement, then we should understand that and not prosecute. But I advocate that the police chiefs be very quick to judge an officer and throw them out and that the citizens replace the police chief if there is even a hint that he is soft in this area.
To: EBUCK
They certainly can be heard saying that. But why would a cop listen to a citizen? 22 posted on 01/10/2003 12:25 PM PST by EBUCK (....reloading....praparing to FIRE!!!)
Becuase they said there were dogs in the car! How much brain power would it have taken to look in the Back of the Car, while a family is in handcuffs on their knees, and CLOSE THE DOOR. These Barney Fife wannabees are supposedly trained to observe a situation!
IMHO The Whole Idea that this Cop was scared for his safety is a flat out lie. Had he been concerned for his safety HE would have closed the door when the detainees were pleading him to, because they told him there were dogs in the car.
Imagine what would have happened had that dog ran into the road, and a vehicle swerved to miss it. These officers have a duty to take control of the situation. Officer Hall failed. And he retified that by blowing away a harmless dog in front on its owner.
Barney Fife is alive and Living in Cookeville.
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posted on
01/10/2003 1:00:15 PM PST
by
Area51
To: EBUCK
Will lack of competence get you or I out of a murder charge? Sure will. I mean the kind of 'lack of competence' that says you're too dumb to be held responsible.
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posted on
01/10/2003 1:00:40 PM PST
by
Grut
To: EBUCK
Hall, who said he has received death threats... Death threats to a police officer is a very serious offense. Can we assume that Officer Hall has reported these death threats to the proper authorities and that they are being actively pursued?
Or could these be the same kind of "threats" that Daschle claimed he received and tried to blame on talk radio?
It's easy to make such a claim. Backing it up is a different matter.
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posted on
01/10/2003 1:00:43 PM PST
by
Ken H
To: EBUCK; All
Here's the take from the folks running
the Putnam Pit website, which was started several years ago in an attempt to expose all the happenings in Cookeville and that county in general. I always check on this site every once in a while, some of the things they describe as happening there will have you shaking your head.
To: EBUCK
"He's trained to shoot dogs should they pose even the slightest threat." Well, maybe it is time to re-evaluate and eliminate that training. Brain-dead cops are getting to be just as big a threat to peace and freedom as brain-dead public school teachers.
To: EBUCK
``I yelled at the dog as I was backing up. I screamed at it; it kept advancing and barking in an aggressive manner.I don't recall hearing a single bark.
To: Red Jones
To criminalize the policeWe aren't "criminalizing" the police, they are commiting criminal acts against us in concert, organized and purposefull.
Are you saying that they should be fired to avoid the current practice of covering up for one another? Or is it just so that cops can retain their good standing?
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posted on
01/10/2003 1:05:34 PM PST
by
EBUCK
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To: Area51
I didn't say "why should a cop listen" I said "why would a cop listen". We know why a cop should listen, especially under these circumstances. But why would he? There are generally no consequences for not listening, this being an exception I hope.
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posted on
01/10/2003 1:07:42 PM PST
by
EBUCK
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