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Knights Templar to use latest imaging in search for Grail
New Zealand Herald ^
| 01/06/03
| The Independent (?)
Posted on 01/06/2003 2:11:30 PM PST by mgstarr
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To: Charles Henrickson
BZZZ!!! Sorry! Wrong answer. It's not there--or in any other vault or tomb.But thanks for playing. We have some nice parting gifts for you. Why don't you tell him what he's won, Bob...
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posted on
01/06/2003 2:59:14 PM PST
by
brewcrew
To: wideawake
Baigent's book also maintains that:
(1) Christ was never crucified for our sins.
(2) Christ never rose from the dead.
(3) That Christ got married and had children and that his direct-line descendants are alive today and live in southern France.
In short, Christians should steer clear of Baigent's ridiculous, ahistorical, made-up fantasyland of a book and stick to Scripture and reputable historians.
Actually, the book doesn't MAINTAIN anything at all. Baigent et al are very careful about hedging their bets; they explicitly state that their theory is utterly unprovable, and they claim to make no statements of fact. They present it as an intriguing what-if, and historical mysteries (whether fantastic like this, or provable like the fate of the Princes in the Tower) fascinate me.
BTW, your last statement reminds me of the rationale behind the Vatican's old Banned Books list. (I am aware that the list holds no force today.)
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posted on
01/06/2003 2:59:49 PM PST
by
Xenalyte
To: CCWoody
The book does not teach anything. It posits a historical alternative.
Jeez, we're all prickly today, aren't we?
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posted on
01/06/2003 3:00:32 PM PST
by
Xenalyte
To: mgstarr
BTTT
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posted on
01/06/2003 3:00:41 PM PST
by
Marianne
To: CCWoody
A) Historians will NEVER say that Christ died for our sins. Deal with it. It'll always be about what he did in life, and getting executed for it. It WON'T be about dying for sins.
B) Historians will NEVER say that Christ was resurrected.
Geeze, do you flip out whenever you see a Discovery Channel special that doesn't mention either of these? Get over it. As far as history is concerned, Christ was just a regular guy who died for political reasons. Unless there's indisputable proof that he was resurrected (And face it, there isn't. Why else is it called "Faith"?), then no serious historian will ever claim that he was resurrected.
To: Xenalyte
Yes... they existed and took the Holy Grail to France.
Whoever has it now is unknown.
Hitler coveted the spearhead of Longinus... it pierced the body of Jesus Christ.
When he invaded Austria, that was his first objective.
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posted on
01/06/2003 3:02:04 PM PST
by
johnny7
To: Xenalyte
There are only so many books in the world. If you're looking for knowledge it's best not to waste precious time reading the lunatic speculations of Spanish occultists treated with "respect" as a plausible "theory" on the basis of no evidence.
To: sheik yerbouty
Petra, yes, but it was portrayed as something else in the third Indiana Jones film.
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posted on
01/06/2003 3:03:29 PM PST
by
My2Cents
To: winner45
"Total Crock Alert FYI, your god no more exists than does that of the islamocrazies. Get over it." I pray that you won't have to be disproven the hard way.
To: CCWoody
It is a blasphemous teaching Heretical, certainly. Not sure if it is blasphemy, is it contemptuous?
To: winner45
Total Crock Alert FYI, your god no more exists than does that of the islamocrazies. Get over it.How do you explain the record of Biblical prophecies, many of which were centuries before the events they foretold? There are of course atheists who assert that they were actually made after the events, but they have no factual basis for saying so. They just employ circular logic and assume it to be the case. Biblical prophecies have been extensively analyzed as have the age of surviving texts such as the Dead Sea Scrolls.
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posted on
01/06/2003 3:03:48 PM PST
by
lasereye
To: Green Knight
Serious? Or is that "series"? I can never remember how that's spelled... ;)
To: johnny7
the spearhead of Longinus That was the first relic recovered by the First Crusade in their first action in the ME. It also was lost shortly thereafter.
To: Green Knight
Unless there's indisputable proof that he was resurrected (And face it, there isn't...)You hope.
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posted on
01/06/2003 3:07:00 PM PST
by
My2Cents
To: mgstarr
Agreed. They are doctors, after all....
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posted on
01/06/2003 3:07:15 PM PST
by
tracer
To: wideawake
Baiget's first two contentions about Jesus are bad enough, but the one about France is really too much...
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posted on
01/06/2003 3:08:55 PM PST
by
tracer
To: Xenalyte
I do concede that much non-historical ink has been spilt on behalf of (or in repudiation of) the Templars, but they did in fact exist.Sure, there was an organization that was founded during the first or second crusade, built its headquarters on the holy sepulcher in Jerusalem, got really rich doing that, became a power back in europe, got mostly killed in france by Phillip, and then disappeared. Everything after their disappearance as an order, though, is pure fantasy. Even though the freemasons claim to have derived from the KT, there's no historical proof of that either. I've read the books and they make great historical romance reading.
To: Xenalyte
Agreed. One can't hide (or shouldn't have to) to try to protect your faith. I like reading things that don't always follow what might be called accepted fact. Mysteries of the past are particularly fascinating.
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posted on
01/06/2003 3:10:31 PM PST
by
SoDak
To: johnny7
"Yes... they existed and took the Holy Grail to France."
So, the French soldioers weren't lying after all when they told King Arthur and his knnnnniggggggohts that "We've already got one".....
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posted on
01/06/2003 3:12:22 PM PST
by
tracer
To: wideawake
There are only so many books in the world. If you're looking for knowledge it's best not to waste precious time reading the lunatic speculations of Spanish occultists treated with "respect" as a plausible "theory" on the basis of no evidence.
I'm not always looking for knowledge. Sometimes a good read is just a good read, and a cigar is just a smoke.
For my edification, how are Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln (a Frenchman, an Englishman and an American) Spanish occultists?
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posted on
01/06/2003 3:13:19 PM PST
by
Xenalyte
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