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TV's Law & Order Cracks Down on White Men
Toogood Reports ^ | 29 December 2002 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 12/26/2002 12:23:10 PM PST by mrustow

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To: Sonny M
I'm pretty sure Goren isn't pro-life.

The fact that he didn't want to talk about it and that when forced he spoke about options sounded to me that he himself is pro-life but understands that legally it gets more complicated. That's pro-life in my opinion.

The thing that got alot of african americans riled up on criminal intent was 2 episodes, one Goren basically insults Carver when Carver forced him to use force to get somone (it was ripped from the headlines episode about pardons)

In that one, Goren was mad that Carver was the one forcing his hand by making him go back on his word instead of vice versa. Not only is Goren used to pulling the strings of everyone around him, but his word is his bond.

and another episode where Goren lies to Carver and makes him look bad (don't know which episode that was).

In that episode, a laywer employee of Carver's was trying to frame his wife for his murder. Goren found that out and had to lie to Carver about it so Carver wouldn't spill the beans to his employee. He didn't purposely make Carver look bad. Neither of those episodes were racist, just full of conflict between the different aims of cops and lawyers. McCoy and Brisco don't get along any better over on the original series, and they're both old white guys.

On another note, you ever notice how when its a political thing involving real life dems, they change it to republicans? Example would be the pardons, were done by Clinton, in the episode it was changed to the NYS governor.

Honestly, I'm not sure if the mayor is Republican in the fictional New York that the Law and Order shows exist in. In that pardons episode, Carver voted for the mayor, while Goren and the captain didn't. Seeing as how Carver is a black guy, Goren and the captain are white males, and Goren is ex-army, you could infer that the mayor was a Democrat based on typical voting trends.

They also had one where the politician kills somone (they made him a conservative) and gets off.

Didn't see that one.

81 posted on 12/27/2002 6:05:57 PM PST by Hawkeye's Girl
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To: Sonny M
Law & Order FAQS

It's from an L&O web site that Debra Walheim ran for the first six years of the series, but no longer maintains.

Here are also some of her L&O Files .

The second link contains a link to L&O sites that should still be active.

82 posted on 12/27/2002 8:26:46 PM PST by mrustow
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To: gaspar
Female African-American!
83 posted on 12/27/2002 8:32:54 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Rainbow Rising
Thanks for the link to the other article. Interesting reading.

Sure thing.

Law & Order's forays into PC Land annoy me so much because it is such a good show otherwise. When they concentrate solely on telling a good crime story, they create top-drawer entertainment. Story should come first and foremost, and to hell with political grandstanding.

Agreed. Nobody writes tighter, more suspenseful scripts than L&O's people -- when they're not propagandizing.

84 posted on 12/27/2002 8:35:47 PM PST by mrustow
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The only thing to do is not watch.

Besides I have never recovered from the death of Claire Kincaid (Jill Hennessy).

85 posted on 12/27/2002 8:40:32 PM PST by Rummyfan
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Claire was my favorite of all the assistants. Jill Hennessy played her with such warmth and understanding, and just a touch of irreverence. I haven't liked her successors nearly as much.
86 posted on 12/27/2002 10:19:24 PM PST by Rainbow Rising
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To: Hawkeye's Girl
It wasn't the mayor with the pardons, it was the governor. In other law and order shows, they actually make it clear its a republican. (An episode where McCoy wants the death penalty for somone, and the wife of the criminal tells him "we actually voted for Pataki"). The one with the conservative politican kills somone was Chris Noth's last episode. He slugged the guy outside on the steps of the court house. It involved a conservative pol who kills a gay politican but did it, because that guy wiped out his council seat.
87 posted on 12/28/2002 2:12:33 PM PST by Sonny M
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