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Frist a Major Shareholder in Reputed For-Profit Abortion Provider
Human Events ^ | 12-20-02 | Terry Jeffrey

Posted on 12/19/2002 10:26:29 PM PST by The Old Hoosier

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Here's some data on how Frist voted regarding abortion/family planning. Forgive me if it's already been posted, but I haven't got the time to go through 600 posts:

Abortion / Family Planning
2001-2002: On the votes that the National Right to Life Committee considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Frist voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001: On the votes that the Planned Parenthood considered to be the most important from 1995 to 2001, Senator Frist voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

2001: On the votes that the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Frist voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

2000: On the votes that the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League considered to be the most important in 2000, Senator Frist voted their preferred position 20 percent of the time.

1999-2000: On the votes that the National Right to Life Committee considered to be the most important in 1999-2000, Senator Frist voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999: On the votes that the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator Frist voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

1999: On the votes that the National Right to Life Committee considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator Frist voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999: On the votes that the Planned Parenthood considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator Frist voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

This data comes from www.internal.vote-smart.org

Hope this helps.

581 posted on 12/20/2002 8:40:37 PM PST by Audit_Jesse
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To: Audit_Jesse; patent
Dear Audit_Jesse,

"Hope this helps."

Yes, it helps a great deal. Thanks.


Dear patent,

This isn't all that bad a record, is it??

;-)


sitetest
582 posted on 12/20/2002 8:49:44 PM PST by sitetest
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To: All
Sorry all, the correct URL is http://www.vote-smart.org/

Of course I can't vouch for it's reliability but it seems a sound source, I'll look for Santorum next.
583 posted on 12/20/2002 8:59:02 PM PST by Audit_Jesse
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To: Audit_Jesse
Here's Santorum's for the same items. They have all kinds of issues there but as this was an abortion type thread, that's all I'm posting.

Abortion / Family Planning
2001-2002: On the votes that the National Right to Life Committee considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Santorum voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001: On the votes that the Planned Parenthood considered to be the most important from 1995 to 2001, Senator Santorum voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

2001: On the votes that the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Santorum voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

2000: On the votes that the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League considered to be the most important in 2000, Senator Santorum voted their preferred position 20 percent of the time.

1999-2000: On the votes that the National Right to Life Committee considered to be the most important in 1999-2000, Senator Santorum voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999: On the votes that the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator Santorum voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

1999: On the votes that the National Right to Life Committee considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator Santorum voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999: On the votes that the Planned Parenthood considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator Santorum voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

Again, hope this helps.
584 posted on 12/20/2002 9:00:47 PM PST by Audit_Jesse
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To: Audit_Jesse
Thanks for the info, Audit_Jesse. If it's been posted already, I missed it.

I think the Dems are shacking in their boots with the prospects of Bill Frist advancing our agenda in the Senate in next year. He is a good human being and a hard target for the Dems to trash.

They'll try. Fabrication is their strong suit.
585 posted on 12/20/2002 9:01:30 PM PST by auboy
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To: P-Marlowe
FR seems to get more and more liberal each day.
586 posted on 12/20/2002 9:02:00 PM PST by MatthewViti
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To: auboy
Sorry - lack of editing skills - "in the Senate in next year" should be "in the Senate next year"
587 posted on 12/20/2002 9:06:57 PM PST by auboy
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To: MatthewViti
Sorry, haven't been able to read the hundreds of posts, what are you referring to, if I may ask? No sarcasm here, I mean this as an honest question. Thanks!
588 posted on 12/20/2002 9:13:48 PM PST by Audit_Jesse
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To: SoCar; Amelia; justshe; Howlin
"You can be far right on every other issue, taxes, immigration, affirmative action, hate crimes, defense, etc., but if your'e not 100% pro life, WATCH OUT!! "

Sad, isn't it? An entire agenda of liberty and freedom is held as expendable so that a small coterie of religious extremists can feel good about themselves.

"the country is not ready to outlaw abortion. Even if we overturn Roe vs. Wade, abortion in some form will remain legal in the vast majority of states. Most people believe in parental notification and PBA, but not a full ban. They understand that forcing women who are young, unstable, and possibly drug addicted, to carry their babies to term with neglect and no prenatal care is folly."

Most of the zealots ignore this truth. Thus, I repost it. The funny thing is, I suspect that most of them also know this...but simply enjoy feeling holier than the rest of us barbarians.

589 posted on 12/20/2002 9:15:08 PM PST by Long Cut
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To: Willie Green; Howlin
How dare you ask questions about a politicians record! The horror! On an issue of life no less!
590 posted on 12/20/2002 9:19:03 PM PST by Scholastic
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To: MatthewViti
What do you mean?
591 posted on 12/20/2002 9:23:28 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Long Cut
Thanks Long Cut! Sometimes I feel so lonely with my disgust for the zealots.
592 posted on 12/20/2002 9:24:21 PM PST by SoCar
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To: SoCar
Trust me, you're not alone, even on FR. The zealots have a way of attacking anyone with whom they even slightly disagree as a "baby murderer" or worse. Many good folks choose not to play that game with them.

Therefore, it sometimes seems that their numbers are larger than they really are. It really is a matter of volume, not quantity.

I also find funny those who (rightly, in most cases), accusing the Left of living on "feelings" and "emotion" instead of facts and logic, instantly fall back upon those things when this issue comes up. For what else are we to conclude from the almost-constant harangues using the "baby killer" slur, or the always-popular "serial killer" to refer to ANYONE who does not think that forcing a rape or incest victim to bear a child begot from those crimes is a good thing?

At the very least, they should read over the definition of "serial killer". They might stop revealing their utter ignorance of the term.

593 posted on 12/20/2002 9:39:07 PM PST by Long Cut
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To: Denver Ditdat
No surprise at all.
594 posted on 12/20/2002 9:49:16 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Long Cut
Well, I for one will continue to voice my opinions on this issue. I hope you and others will do so too.
595 posted on 12/20/2002 10:02:59 PM PST by SoCar
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To: Howlin
You may be a Republican, but you sure don't seem like a conservative. And if one does vote on the basis of one issue, I can't think of any issue more important than abortion. Without life, everything else we're fighting for is meaningless. I joined the Republican party solely on the abortion issue. Once I joined, I found I agreed with them on so many other things. The second ammendment, taxes, etc. But it was their pro-life stance that won me over.
596 posted on 12/20/2002 10:12:42 PM PST by lara
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To: lara
I'm not a one issue voter; it's like tunnel vision. Or, if you prefer, like wearing blinders so you dont' have to see anybody else's opinion -- not that you'd want to.
597 posted on 12/20/2002 10:14:13 PM PST by Howlin
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To: lara
Just a question because I'm curious.

Let's say before you there is a fertilized egg in a petrie(sp?) dish and a living breathing adult or child. A diaster struck and you had a Soloman like decision to make. You could only save one. What would you do? If you believe that abortion is murder is there any distinction in your eyes?

I direct this question to all the staunch pro life one issue people out there.

598 posted on 12/20/2002 10:43:49 PM PST by SoCar
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To: Audit_Jesse
Thanks for the information.
599 posted on 12/21/2002 9:20:12 AM PST by Gophack
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To: relee

"Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or sovereign. ... You must weep that your own government, at present, seems blind to this truth."

-- Mother Teresa (born Agnes Gonxha Beiaxhiu - the *real* Sister Agnes), regarding abortion, in her closing remarks at her last prayer breakfast in the United States

"I was for abortion, I thought it was a woman's right to terminate pregnancy she did not want. Now I'm not so sure. I am a student nurse nearing the end of my OB-GYN rotation at a major metropolitan hospital and teaching center. It wasn't until I saw what abortion really involves that I changed my mind. After the first week in the abortion clinic several people in my clinical group were shaky about their previously positive feelings about abortion. This new attitude resulted from our actually seeing a Prostaglandin abortion, one similar in nature to the widely used saline abortion. . . this method is being used for terminations of pregnancies of sixteen weeks and over. I used to find rationales. the fetus isn't real. Abdomens aren't really very swollen. It isn't 'alive.' No more excuses...I am a member of the health profession and members of my class are now ambivalent about abortion. I now know a great deal more about what is involved in the issue. Women should perceive fully what abortion is; how destructive an act it is both for themselves and their unborn child. Whatever psychological coping mechanisms are employed during the process, the sight of a fetus in a hospital bedpan remains the final statement."

Quoted in "The Zero People: Essays on Life" by Jeff Lane Hensley, editor. Ann Arbor: Servant Books, 1983

"The doctors would remove the fetus while performing hysterotomies and then lay it on the table., where it would squirm until it died. ..They all had perfect forms and shapes. I couldn't take it. No nurse could."

--Joyce Craig, director of a Brooklyn clinic of Planned Parenthood. who assisted in abortion for two months, then quit. p 34 of "Rachel Weeping"

"From May to November 1988, I worked for an abortionist. He specializes in third trimester killings. I witnessed evidence of the brutal, cold blooded murder of over 600 viable, healthy babies at seven, eight and nine months gestation. A very, very few of these babies, less than 2%, were handicapped...I thought I was pro-choice and I was glad to be working in an abortion clinic. I thought I was helping provide a noble service to women in crisis....I was instructed to falsify the age of the babies in medical records. I was required to lie to the mothers over the phone, as they scheduled their appointments, and to tell them that they were not 'too far along' Then I had to note, in the records that Dr. Tiller's needle had successfully pierced the walls of the baby's heart, injecting the poison what brought death...one day, Dr. Tiller came up the stairs from the basement, where the mothers were in labor. He was carrying a large cardboard box, and ducked into the employees only area of the office so that he wouldn't have to walk through the waiting room. He passed behind my desk as I sat working on the computer, and he turned the corner to go around a short hall. He called out for me to come and help him. the box was so big and heavy in his arms that he couldn't get the key into the lock. So I unlocked the door for him, and , pushing the door open, I saw very clearly the gleaming metal of the crematorium- a full sized crematorium, just like the one's used in funeral homes. I went back to my computer. I could hear Dr. Tiller firing up the gas oven. A few minutes later I could smell burning human flesh. Mine was the agony of a participant, however reluctant, in the act of prenatal infanticide."

--Luhra Tivis on her experience in the abortion business Quoted in Celebrate Life Sept/Oct 1994 "Where is the Real Violence?"

"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy"

--Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 p 1189

"You would just look in the buckets and see arms and legs. I have horrible dreams about that now. It was something you would see in a scary movie."

--Former clinic worker Kirsten Breedlove

My 23rd abortion changed my mind about doing abortions forever. This patient was a little overweight and ultimately proved to be a little farther along than anticipated. This was not an uncommon mistake before ultrasound was readily available to confirm the gestational age. Initially, the abortion proceeded normally. The water broke, but then nothing more would come out. When I withdrew the curette, I saw that it was plugged up with the leg of the baby which had been torn off. I then changed techniques and used ring forceps to dismember the 13 or 14 week size baby. Inside the remains of the rib cage I found a tiny, beating heart. I was finally able to remove the head and looked squarely into the face of a human being -- a human being that I had just killed.

-Dr. Paul Jarrett

"Please don't kill the child. I want the child. Please give me the child. I am willing to accept any child who would be aborted and to give that child to a married couple who will love the child and be loved by the child."

- M. Teresa, National Prayer breakfast, 2/3/94

"Each child is sent into this world by God with a unique message to deliver, a new song to sing, a personal act of love to bestow."

- John Powell, S.J.

"Once you permit the killing of the unborn child...you are setting off a chain reaction that will eventually make you the victim."

- Dr. R.A. Gallop, Univ. Of Montana

"Roe vs. Wade was a declaration of war on defensless baby boys and girls in the womb whose only 'crime' is that they exist."

- Dr. Wanda Franz, NRLC President


600 posted on 12/21/2002 10:10:58 AM PST by MatthewViti
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