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U.S. Still Intervening Against Democracy in Venezuela
Knight Ridder/Tribune Information Services ^ | 18 December 2002 | Mark Weisbrot

Posted on 12/19/2002 8:20:59 AM PST by Zviadist

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To: Zviadist
We need to also stop intervening against Democracy in the US.
62 posted on 12/19/2002 11:37:51 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: BillinDenver
The United States of America is thankfullly not a democracy.
63 posted on 12/19/2002 11:38:13 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: BillinDenver
The United States is first and foremost a republic, not a democracy.
65 posted on 12/19/2002 11:44:38 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: Zviadist
Regardless what, we should impose our will to elect or defeat leaders of other countries.
66 posted on 12/19/2002 11:50:40 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: BillinDenver
He was 're-elected' unanimously, since the Baath party is the only legal party in Iraq, since he SEIZED power in 1963.

Looks like democracy isn't the answer to every problem.

Chavez's opponents have demanded an EARLY referendum in February which he has refused. Constitutionally, there WILL be a referendum only 6 months later, in August 2003. That is the very definition of self-determination and constitutional govt: allowing the people to vote, and following the constitution.

So if this is just an internal Venezualan thing, why drag the U.S. into it? We have no troops in Venezuala.

Every time some third rate socialist gets his butt into hot water, idiots all over the world start screaming that it is all the CIA's fault.

What a hoot. The CIA couldn't even keep a score of misogynist camel jockeys (who could only have made their intentions and presence more obvious by buying ad space in the New York Times) from killing thousands of people and destroying our most notable landmarks and damaging the Pentagon itself. And I am supposed to believe this same CIA is about to topple a popular (he won the vote and you keep assuring me he is what the people want) latin American president against a majority of Venezualans' wishes?

Are you guys trying to be funny, or does it just come naturally?

67 posted on 12/19/2002 11:51:42 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Zviadist
"This country is the second largest supplier of oil to the US. What happens there affects us." Here's a clue: it's their oil. Or don't you believe in the principle of private property and ownership?

That's a really funny position for a Chavez supporter. They reason there is a problem there IS PRECISELY BECAUSE the property owners and middle-class are refusing to let Chavez & Co confiscate their private property without a fight

Chavez is popular among the poor (ie unproductive) segments because he is STEALING money from the productive segments

68 posted on 12/19/2002 11:53:05 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: CobaltBlue
You don't seem to be a native English speaker so maybe you didn't learn about the Monroe Doctrine while you were in school, nor how it has played out in history.

I did learn about the Monroe Doctrine in high school in Poland.

The US intervenes in political situations in Central and South America when it is in the best interests of the United States.

Well, maybe. But the official justification is usually quite different. Besides - often US interventions were harmful to the interests both of US and affected country.

69 posted on 12/19/2002 11:57:21 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: Zviadist
"but they (Marxists) are not really in favor of democracy " And you are? Obviously not, considering what you posted. So what makes you any better than them?

I'm not in favor of democracy -- I'm in favor of a constitutional republic. There's a difference

If I walk on the street and a group of five thugs comes up to me and demands my wallet, hardly anyone would disagree that they were criminals and their actions illegitimate. But when 50 million get together and vote to steal the possessions of 10 million, then it assumes an air of legitimacy that it philosophicly does not deserve

70 posted on 12/19/2002 12:00:10 PM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: B Knotts
The United States is first and foremost a republic, not a democracy.

It's amazing how few Americans understand the difference and know "which" political system we participate in. Thanks for making this statement. I correct people on a weekly basis.

71 posted on 12/19/2002 12:00:46 PM PST by YoungKentuckyConservative
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To: BillinDenver
Toppling third world leftist govts is practically the only time the CIA is successful. It's a helluva lot easier than tracking 6 billion people to determine which one is going to commit a terrorist act.

Let's see, you can limit that number with the realization that 1) Not all 6 billion are within the borders of the U.S., and 2) you should only primarily look for Arab males 17-45.

On the other hand, the CIA is miraculously able to make people hate a president who gives them everything they want.

The US is already involved. No troops, just money.

So? Since shortly after 1917 the commies have been dumping truckloads of cash on every leftist twit with his hand out to cause trouble here. Every major media outlet, universities, and even grade schools are staffed with everything from socialists to stalinists.

If money made that much difference, we'd be calling Lenin an extreme right-winger by now.

73 posted on 12/19/2002 12:21:12 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: BillinDenver
If Democrats demanded Presidential elections be held tomorrow, would you agree?

Exactly. Why do people insist there should be a double standard for the brown people in the south? Do they believe those people are less capable of functioning rationally and democratically? I would prefer to hold all to the democratic standards.

74 posted on 12/19/2002 12:26:13 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: hopespringseternal
Maybe you should keep up with current events. He was elected unanimously.

Perhaps you should. If you are talking about the recent referrendum (not an "election"), then we are talking about a ballot that did not represent a democratic choice. There was only one option offered. As to how Hussein originally took power, it was indeed a coup d'etat.

75 posted on 12/19/2002 12:28:09 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: BillinDenver
The constitution provides for a referendum to be held when sufficient signatures have been collected. Despite the fact that sufficient signatures have been collected, Chavez won't allow it.
76 posted on 12/19/2002 12:30:59 PM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: Stultis
And as Chavez runs roughshod (with military force) over the principle of private property, what do you do? Cover your eyes and ears, or cheer him on in estatic socialist glee?

And what do you do? Steal it from him? Does his stealing it (thought I would strongly disagree with this assessment) justify your stealing it from him? I don't like nationalized industry. It is crap. But if that in itself denotes dictatorship, then we'll have to overthrow the UK, Germany, Japan, France and half the rest of the world.

78 posted on 12/19/2002 12:35:15 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: SauronOfMordor
That's a really funny position for a Chavez supporter.

Are you people retarded? Show me where I have said I am a Chavez supporter. Seriously, show me. I have consistently said on these threads that I could not care less about Chavez and his policies. I do know that he was democratically elected and that the people who lost that vote are now trying to take power through other means. It is a political struggle with a legitimate government on one side and a gang in the streets on the other side. I don't know how much simpler I can make my position without resorting to drawing pictures.

79 posted on 12/19/2002 12:38:43 PM PST by Zviadist
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