The Two Towers; One Freepers Review

What Happened to the Rings and Who Held Them?
For a brief time, all the Rings of Powers were presumably worn and used in Eregion between the time Sauron left the Elves after the rings were made (1590 SA) and when Sauron forged the One Ring (1600 SA). But as soon as Sauron put on the One Ring, the Elves took off all their rings for they finally saw through the deceptions of Sauron and realized that their creations would only be corrupted and used for evil:

"But the Elves were not so lightly to be caught. As soon as Sauron set the One Ring upon his finger they were aware of him; and they knew him, and perceived that he would be master of them, and of all that they wrought. Then in anger and fear they took off their rings." [Silm].
Some counselled that their rings be destroyed but the Elves could not bring themselves to destroy the Rings - and so they were hid. The Seven and the Nine were separated. Of the Three, Celebrimbor gave one, Nenya, to Galadriel, and the other two, Vilya and Narya, to Gil-galad. In turn, Gil-galad kept Vilya and gave Narya to Círdan of the Grey Havens to hold. An alternate to this version states that during the first Council of the Second Age, it was deemed wise that Elrond receive the ring Vilya and Gil-galad kept Narya until departing to war in the Last Alliance.

Angered that his plan was revealed and failed, Sauron made war on the Elves to claim the Rings without his help they could not have made. He laid Eregion to waste and sacked the Elvish city of Ost-in-edhil. He then captured and tortured Celebrimbor into revealing where the Rings were hidden:

"There Sauron took the Nine Rings and other lesser works of the Mírdain; but the Seven and the Three he could not find. Then Celebrimbor was put to torment, and Sauron learned from him where the Seven were bestowed. This Celebrimbor revealed, because neither the Seven nor the Nine did he value as he valued the Three: the Seven and the Nine were made with Sauron's aid, whereas the Three were made by Celebrimbor alone, with a different power and purpose." [UT]
Using Celebrimbor's body as a battle standard on a pole, Sauron returned with war and overran all of Eriador in search for the Three Elven Rings. But he never found them and only suspected where they were hid. With the help of the Númenóreans, Sauron was finally driven out of Eriador c. 1701 Second Age and there was peace for a long while.

Sauron's power was later challenged by the Númenóreans and he was taken back as prisoner where through the use of the One Ring he corrupted them and incited them to rebel against the Valar. Then Ilúvatar was called on and the world was changed and Númenor drowned in the ocean. Sauron went down as well, but his spirit fled (with the Ring) back to Middle-earth. When he took shape again he saw how the Númenóreans had grown in strength where their new kingdoms sprang up. He resolved to make war and drive them out before they became too strong. Then the Last Alliance was formed between Elves and Men to battle Sauron. There, before the Black Tower, Barad-dûr, Sauron was thrown down and vanquished in the year 3441 Second Age.

But after a respite, Sauron's spirit appeared again in the Third Age and threatened the free people in Middle-earth. Around the year 1000 Third Age the Istari, or Wizards, came to Middle-earth to help in the struggle against Sauron. Last to come was Gandalf and Círdan was moved to turn Narya over to Gandalf as he saw that it would be put to better use:

"Take now this Ring, he said; for thy labours and thy cares will be heavy, but in all it will support thee and defend thee from weariness. For this is the Ring of Fire, and herewith, maybe, thous shalt rekindle hearts to the valour of old in a world that grows chill." [Silm]
So at the time of the story of Lord of the Rings, the Three Elven Rings were in the hands of the Wise; Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel, the Nine Sauron held, as well as four of the Seven (the other three were consumed by dragons), and the One was in the hands of Frodo the Hobbit.

LOL! Too kind!

I always try to be, Dan ;~D

The story is very detailed in the appendices. The problem is that the exposition make the romance clear in the book, but not in a visual scene. The problem with non-visual exposition is that it is very hard to translate to film.

Add my oldest son and me to the "Misster Anderson" list.

And I add this. "Do you want to know what I hate about orcs? It's the smell...."

Dan

OH.

MY.

GOD.

That was profoundly disturbing.

No one can tell me that Leonard Nimoy didn't take drugs during the sixties......

I saw the first showing in town, and since my wife is 8 months pregnant, they let us go to the front of the line. (No will not be doing the same thing for ROTK)

I don't mind changes that maintain the spirit of the book, but what they did with Faramir was just WRONG. Instead of being the great foil for his older brother, he is pretty much just like him. I hope they can fix that in the extended DVD. Even with that however it's a great movie, and I'll be going again soon.

The Box office results are in.... looks like the movie made $27,300,000 yesterday. Not a bad day at the races!

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/

Thanks for the link on the hobbit hole thread OT....

I liked "You look terrible!"

I think that the play between Faramir and Denethor will show the difference much more than what we saw in this movie. When his father calls him a betrayer and acts like Boromir did concerning the Ring, we might see the wise and reluctant Faramir from the books appear more clearly. At least, that is my hope.

He made a stellar performance as Agent Smith in The Matrix, and I don't think that movie would have been the same without him. However, it was such a notable role that it detracts from his role as Elrond.

It's not really a weakness in the plot, it is pivotal to the eventual denoument. Sauron, understanding the weakness of the race of men, cannot imagine that the ring is destined for any place but Minas Tirith. The Great Eye is focused on Gondor.

Well, unfortunately (or maybe "fortunately") I don't have Quicktime on my computer. No can see.

If you really want, you can download the Quicktime player for free. But you may be better of not downloading it... :-).

But why wouldn't the Three Hunters correct Gandalf's assumption that Frodo was alone, since they knew Sam went with him?

I'm trying to remember the "peril" (where the ring was almost revealed) that Gandalf is referring to. Can you refresh my memory?

I would guess that no movie translated from a book would meet with your approval. The director does have to take some license, in order to shorten the story and to attract viewers who did not read the books. Having read the books a number of times, I did not think the liberties taken were that bad. For instance, Sam jerking the rope was used to demonstrate his extreme distrust and dislike for Gollum.

I did not notice the white-outs but based on your posts, am not as experienced a movie viewer, although I have watched many, many movies.

Your comments lead me to believe that you actively looked for things not to like when you watched this movie, which is fine, but don't hope to persuade those of us that loved it that you are right. If you watch hard enough, you can find these type of mistakes in any movie.

I'll go along with a joke about an actor playing two memorable roles in two different movies.

If you're trying to turn this into an actual criticism of LOTR, you're on your own. That's just desperately silly.

Dan

Not to argue needlessly, I disagree because it would have brought Sauron's attention too close to Frodo and Sam. In my humble opinion, the ringwraiths would have been scouring the area for them.

Oh, no. It's only a funny joke, and I am not suprised that I'm the only one to come up with it.

I'm trying to remember the "peril" (where the ring was almost revealed) that Gandalf is referring to. Can you refresh my memory?

When he was sitting on the Seat of Seeing at Amon Hen, I think?

Eureeka! Yes!

Thank you!
You just saved me a lot of digging...lol

What Happened to the Rings and Who Held Them?
For a brief time, all the Rings of Powers were presumably worn and used in Eregion between the time Sauron left the Elves after the rings were made (1590 SA) and when Sauron forged the One Ring (1600 SA). But as soon as Sauron put on the One Ring, the Elves took off all their rings for they finally saw through the deceptions of Sauron and realized that their creations would only be corrupted and used for evil:

"But the Elves were not so lightly to be caught. As soon as Sauron set the One Ring upon his finger they were aware of him; and they knew him, and perceived that he would be master of them, and of all that they wrought. Then in anger and fear they took off their rings." [Silm].
Some counselled that their rings be destroyed but the Elves could not bring themselves to destroy the Rings - and so they were hid. The Seven and the Nine were separated. Of the Three, Celebrimbor gave one, Nenya, to Galadriel, and the other two, Vilya and Narya, to Gil-galad. In turn, Gil-galad kept Vilya and gave Narya to Círdan of the Grey Havens to hold. An alternate to this version states that during the first Council of the Second Age, it was deemed wise that Elrond receive the ring Vilya and Gil-galad kept Narya until departing to war in the Last Alliance.

Angered that his plan was revealed and failed, Sauron made war on the Elves to claim the Rings without his help they could not have made. He laid Eregion to waste and sacked the Elvish city of Ost-in-edhil. He then captured and tortured Celebrimbor into revealing where the Rings were hidden:

"There Sauron took the Nine Rings and other lesser works of the Mírdain; but the Seven and the Three he could not find. Then Celebrimbor was put to torment, and Sauron learned from him where the Seven were bestowed. This Celebrimbor revealed, because neither the Seven nor the Nine did he value as he valued the Three: the Seven and the Nine were made with Sauron's aid, whereas the Three were made by Celebrimbor alone, with a different power and purpose." [UT]
Using Celebrimbor's body as a battle standard on a pole, Sauron returned with war and overran all of Eriador in search for the Three Elven Rings. But he never found them and only suspected where they were hid. With the help of the Númenóreans, Sauron was finally driven out of Eriador c. 1701 Second Age and there was peace for a long while.

Sauron's power was later challenged by the Númenóreans and he was taken back as prisoner where through the use of the One Ring he corrupted them and incited them to rebel against the Valar. Then Ilúvatar was called on and the world was changed and Númenor drowned in the ocean. Sauron went down as well, but his spirit fled (with the Ring) back to Middle-earth. When he took shape again he saw how the Númenóreans had grown in strength where their new kingdoms sprang up. He resolved to make war and drive them out before they became too strong. Then the Last Alliance was formed between Elves and Men to battle Sauron. There, before the Black Tower, Barad-dûr, Sauron was thrown down and vanquished in the year 3441 Second Age.

But after a respite, Sauron's spirit appeared again in the Third Age and threatened the free people in Middle-earth. Around the year 1000 Third Age the Istari, or Wizards, came to Middle-earth to help in the struggle against Sauron. Last to come was Gandalf and Círdan was moved to turn Narya over to Gandalf as he saw that it would be put to better use:

"Take now this Ring, he said; for thy labours and thy cares will be heavy, but in all it will support thee and defend thee from weariness. For this is the Ring of Fire, and herewith, maybe, thous shalt rekindle hearts to the valour of old in a world that grows chill." [Silm]
So at the time of the story of Lord of the Rings, the Three Elven Rings were in the hands of the Wise; Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel, the Nine Sauron held, as well as four of the Seven (the other three were consumed by dragons), and the One was in the hands of Frodo the Hobbit.