Putin Questions Terrorism Efforts (Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are the problem)

austin360.com ^ | 11-22-02 1408EST | AP White House Correspondent

[A. Pole]

Iran will flip without hardly any effort, and then our hand will be so flush that all other players will fold when we say "Boo!".

This is what American experts told Saddam Hussein in 1980. But Iranian regime did not collapse under the Iraqi attack and the long and debilitating war was the result.

[Mr. Mojo]

Makes sense ....excellent point.

[iconoclast]

If Saudi Arabia is so evil and the King cannot be trusted to do anything but coddle terrorists, why haven't the terrorists set up camp there?

I think we use to call that sh!tt!n in your mess kit, pard.

Is it at least possible and reasonable that we should continue to direct our efforts against states that are offering sanctuary and have demonstrated (at the governmental level) a compunction to use weapons of mass destruction and a willingness to destabilize the region?

You talkin' bot Pakistan?

[swarthyguy]

I loathe the Saudis and see no reason for their continued existance.

BUMP!

[ApesForEvolution]

More classic American double-speak. I guess we not only have a prolonged war against terrorism, we invite it. Maybe the goal all along was to allow American's to be subject to more and more government invasion of individual liberties and rights. One could easily make the case.

[ApesForEvolution]

I hope your keen insights are correct. I prepare for the worst and pray for the best.

[iconoclast]

There does appear to have been some contentiousness between the two presidents at this meeting, but I think it was primarily on the subject of NATO expansion.

I'd say that's a real good surmise since the Russians had been promised repeatedly in the past that it wouldn't happen.

We may be having some chickens come home to roost one of these days.

[swarthyguy]

>>Maybe the goal all along was to allow American's to be subject to more and more government invasion of individual liberties and rights. One could easily make the case.


Kinda seems that way, doesn't it? No profiling, no full court press on ME's, naturalised citizens, immigrants, tourists, absconders, illegals, etc.

And continued mollycoddling of the Saudis and Musharraf.

And i'm SICK of hearing wait after Saddam. 14 months after 9/11 and the prime perpetrators of 9/11, the Saudis and the Pakis are our golden boys.

I'm sure Iraq was involved too, but cut off the funds emanating from Saudi and you can hunt the jihadis at your leisure. And since they aren't cooperating, the prime target ought to be the Saudis. Not to mention Pak sending nukes to NorthKorea.

I'm a broken record now.

[lavaroise]

The Saudis are definite trouble makers. Pakistan has a great and disciplined army, so Pakistan is OK in that respect. IT is the influx of wacko refugees that empowered the ISI and enabled other communist trouble makers to come there during the fall of the Afghan socialist government that is threatening the peace in Pakistan.

Pakistan's military should be backed with force but it should not be afraid to crack down on the rogues within the ISI.

Putin is not helping in dividing the world like that.

[iconoclast]

Yes. It seems similar to the insanity of our Balkan adventure.

[iconoclast]

Pakistan has a great and disciplined army

They better be (IMHO) just to keep Musharraf alive.

And if you think all the whacko muslims in Pakistan are refugees, you are SERIOUSLY deluded.

[swarthyguy]

>>IT is the influx of wacko refugees that empowered the ISI and enabled other communist trouble makers to come there during the fall of the Afghan socialist government that is threatening the peace in Pakistan.

Oh, man you're so wrong. The ISI is a jihadi islamist outfit funded by the Saudis. The military has some deep deep islami influence. Communist troublemakers? These are islamist jihadis that permeate all aspects of paki society and the military.

But believe whatever crap you want.

[ApesForEvolution]

Yeah, it's beginning to make me think it's so much more window dressing, all because we *care* what the world thinks. Don't people realize that the world only wants a 'cleansed' America? One without the one, true, living Lord God Almighty allowed, without its Constitution and without its super-power strength and economy. That's the people it appears we are trying to appease. All the communists, islamotrash and their appeasers. We talk tough, make gestures towards extinguishing the threats, but in the big picture we appear to be farting in the wind.

[Tennessean4Bush]

When has Pakistan used weapons of mass destruction against its own people?

The fact that the Saudis do not have terror camps in their own country cannot be dismissed so tritely as not "sh$tt$ng in their own mess". It is more likely that they do not tolerate it and run these people out of the country.

Look, I do believe that the Faad family is riddled with either religious nutcases and/or are being blackmailed by these terror thugs. They are involved, cannot be ignored, and must be dealt with decisively. Timing is what I am arguing as operative.

[Tennessean4Bush]

You have not read any news releases recently about the unrest in Iran, have you? The vast majority of people in Iran love the US and western culture. And this information was garnered from a poll conducted by the Iranian government itself.

[lavaroise]

Jihadists and communists have the same goal: start wars. The ISI unites them very well and has deep interest in destroying the Pakistany military that has different interests.