Military dismisses 6 gay Arabic linguists amid shortage of translators

AP ^ | 11-14-02

[Bonaparte]

"...But it makes absolute zero sense to dismiss and, by extension, discourage people who want to serve their country as linguists..."

But they didn't want to serve their country as linguists. They wanted to be discharged so they could 1) get all this (free) training without having to serve, and 2) use their dismissal to fuel the homosexual agenda.

That's why they brought their homosexuality to everybody's attention.

It is also why they arranged to get "caught" in flagrante.

Now they can go to work in the private sector, making lots more money, all the while representing themselves as "martyrs" to the cause of "gay rights." Our country and our armed services are far better off without them. Believe it or not, homosexuals are not the only people available for this sort of training. To read this AP article, you would think that our military, intelligence and diplomatic establishments will collapse without recruiting every homosexual in sight.

[Asclepius]

... So, in reality, the military is saying: "We won't ask you and you don't tell us that you are gay. But, if you tell us and/or we find out that you have not kept your hands to yourself, you are outta here" ...

Most definitely. As it should be.

[mrustow]

Seven of the soldiers were discharged after telling superiors they are gay ...

This was a coordinated set-up for political purposes. Under the military's "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, there is no way they would have outed themselves to their superiors, unless they WANTED to leave the military. Thus, the military policy was a secondary factor in the seven dismissals. They wanted to leave the military, and to cause it maximum embarrassment, while giving the misleading impression that they wanted to serve their country's intelligence needs, which they had no intention of doing.

If the authorities were smart, and themselves masculine men, they would take a closer look at this Ralls guy. He might need to be outed for attempting to undermine the military.

[johnb838]

Thank goodness that the military still has rules and codes of conduct. What you are saying is right along the line of thought that says if a democratic candidate pulls out of a race because he's behind, and it's too late to appoint a replacement, well they ought to be able to appoint a replacement anyway because the people deserve a choice.

[Bonaparte]

"...take a closer look at this Ralls guy."

No need, mrustow. Nobody in the SLDN is active duty military. Read their website, especially their board members and personnel. It's another leftist organization whose real purpose is to undermine America, not just the military.

[CapedCrusader]

These guys knew they were going to be given the boot and it is entirely their own doing.

You may be right, but without knowing the details of the cases, it's impossible to say for sure.

[CapedCrusader]

If they did offer up the information themselves voluntarily, right, it's their own fault. But I have a sneaky suspicion that the military does still engage in "homosexual hunting."

[CapedCrusader]

What you are saying is right along the line of thought that says if a democratic candidate pulls out of a race because he's behind, and it's too late to appoint a replacement, well they ought to be able to appoint a replacement anyway because the people deserve a choice.

I don't see quite see this connection. Can you elucidate? Is it "demanding to continue to play in spite of knowingly breaking the rules"?

[mrustow]

"...take a closer look at this Ralls guy."

No need, mrustow. Nobody in the SLDN is active duty military. Read their website, especially their board members and personnel. It's another leftist organization whose real purpose is to undermine America, not just the military.

Thanks for the clarification and the link, Bonaparte. You're right, of course.

I couldn't help thinking, while reading the board member bios, that they are in-your-face gays who, rather than living private lives, expect and surely get, the full support of their firms. Wonder how high someone would rise at the same firms, and how long they'd last, if he said, "I'm a Christian who believes in the literal meaning of the Bible, and who supports the U.S. Constitution as written."

[DBtoo]

It seems to me they could find all the translators they could ever want if they'd make a trip to Houston, as that is an extremely multicultural city these days. They could find Arabic, Farsi, probably even Pashtun and Tagolog speakers too if they want.

[GaltMeister]

What doesth Arabic thound like with a listhp? Too thweet for the army I guessth.

[GaltMeister]

I don't know if IO has an atmosphere or not but this could cause some major global warming.

Uh-Oh ... better not let AlBore find out about this ...

[GaltMeister]

oooops ... I confess, I'm an idiot. This reply was meant for the thread about the volcano on IO .... nothing to see here, move along ......

[hardhead]

Are you saying that the number of cunning linguists in the Army FEL to an unacceptable rATIO? All the more reason for them to go back to Saudi Arabia to BONE up on the skills.

[cookcounty]

"Is there some reason translations can't be done by civilian support personnel? That would moot the whole issue. "

No. These guys, for the most part, are not just guys sitting in cubicles translating docs...

They are involved in investigations, interrogations, and working as theatre liason situations, in other words, it isn't something civvies can do

[Schmedlap]

"...you have no answer for incest as well as the openly practicing bestial or pedophile and their 'sexual orientations'."

I'm not sure what you mean. My point is that your comparisons were irrelevant because animals and 12-year-olds do not serve in uniform. I'm not sure what UCMJ says about incest, though I strongly suspect it doesn't look favorably upon it. In that regard, I have "no answer" since I do not have a copy of the UCMJ.

[dwills]

"After their discharges, Gamble and Hicks applied for other federal jobs where they could use their language skills in the war on terrorism, but neither was hired, Gamble said."

this is the only mistake we might be making

[Bonaparte]

"Wonder how high someone would rise at the same firms..."

As high as they hung the rope, I guess.

[Bonaparte]

If they did offer up the information themselves voluntarily, right, it's their own fault. But I have a sneaky suspicion that the military does still engage in "homosexual hunting."

Failing to keep tabs on your men, failing to inspect regularly and thoroughly, is dereliction of duty. There is no "right to privacy" in the military. Homosexual enlistees are well aware of this, and it's the only reason that barracks have not become bath houses.

[Bonaparte]

"I'm not sure what UCMJ says about incest..."

It's not specifically addressed but is prosecuted as "conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline." It's the same with other deviations from standards of decency.