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California Election Results
self ^ | 11-6-02 | Bones McCoy

Posted on 11/06/2002 6:35:44 AM PST by bonesmccoy

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To: navigator
Bush didn't lose this race. Have you had your head up your ass all year or what?

Nope, but obviously you have or you would not be making such stupid, idiotic comments on this thread! Bush could have boosted Simon at some point during the final ten weeks of the campaign, but he chose not to. The result--a RAT electoral sweep of the People's Republic of California which I'm sure you will continue to enjoy. Thankfully, after living in Southern Cal for thirty years ago, I moved out to Virginia with my family shortly after "Red" Davis was elected Governor in 1998 so I will not be around to enjoy the fruits of your labors.
81 posted on 11/06/2002 8:43:38 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I agree. I ran for AD 61. I did just as well as John B.
Im 23 and I did impressive for my first major campaign. I am going to plan ahead and work my tail off for me to become the next legislator when the seat is open. But a Democrat may switch parties so the primary may be bloody.

We all have to do our part as Republicans. Moderates need to volunteer while Conservatives need to donate money as well. ALL OF US need to play an equal part so we can be on the same team. In San Bernardino County we could not recruit anyone good for the marginal seats, but hopefully we can get some good young leadership there.

The Democrats have a mentorship program to elect the congressrats, maybe we should do the same for the state legislature. Teach us how to fundraise and fish for ourselves so we would not be dependent on the party. Teach us how to start an efficient campaign organisation.

My opponent will flounder her next four years, but she's history. Communist John Longville will probally beat her up silly when Nell Soto is termed out.

I am moderate, but lean conservative on guns and spending and I did well in Pomona. 4% above registration and I did better than the state senate candidate in my party there. Wowsers :)
82 posted on 11/06/2002 8:45:26 AM PST by Munson
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To: rightwing2
Good prediction, though, sadly, correct. I spared myself the anxiety by not watching or listening to the talking-deads spin their views. When I learned this morning how close the California race came, I had to wonder what would have happened had Bush hit California for Simon. Granted, it's his brother, but, after his weekend visit to Florida, JEB was up 15 points over McBride (and that's about how it ended). Clearly, in politics, unabashed ruthlessness rules the day.
83 posted on 11/06/2002 8:46:03 AM PST by Tucson
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To: ECM
Stymie "Red Doofus" in the courts. Use the Demonrats methods against them. Political Jiu Jitsu.
84 posted on 11/06/2002 8:46:14 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: bonesmccoy
Except at the local level in less urban areas, the republican party is dead in California. Weak or non-existent leadership. Also the demographics, immigration and increasing democratic power portend more of the same.

A corrupt disasterous democrat was just reelected to the top spot and swept others in with him. The ex-mayor of LA might have won, but he'd be a democrat in any other state.

It will take a miracle or ressurection to beat the democrats in the next Cal election.

85 posted on 11/06/2002 8:49:01 AM PST by breakem
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More comments with statewide and key local race results...
CALIFORNIA STATE Election Discussion Thread
86 posted on 11/06/2002 8:50:39 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: bonesmccoy; RonDog; paola; Tony in Hawaii; ElkGroveDan; Saundra Duffy; feinswinesuksass; AnnaZ; ...
The only reason Davis was able to win against Simon is that Simon had no track record in politics, and a few skeletons in his closet that Davis could rattle.

If Davis runs against Bush in 2004, he'd be crushed, because he has plenty of skeletons rattling around, and Bush could exploit them ruthlessly. And Davis can't use the experience card against the hyper-experienced Bush.

One thing I found very interesting about this race was how small a role ideology seemed to play. It was all about experience and track record. On that basis, I don't think Simon was rejected by the voters because he was too conservative. I think he was rejected because the Davis attack ads convinced people he was worse than Davis. I find that remarkable considering how bad Davis was, but, well, those are the numbers.

I think Simon ran a fine campaign in light of the resources he had. The decisions he made that were obviously poor in hindsight - such as not running many ads early - were clearly made because he didn't have the money. Obviously he is not a master fundraiser like Davis. If he was, I think he would have won. If he'd had more help from the California Republicans - and this lack is something that genuinely upsets me - he would have won.

There is, however, one place where I would definitely criticise him, and that is in the organization of his events. Until I got wired into the network with RonDog and friends, I would never know where or when Simon was speaking until after the event. In my opinion, they should have sent a weekly schedule in their email newsletter and had clear contact information for all their events. Then I would have been more likely to be active, and much more likely to donate money if I could have handed it over to the candidate personally.

I also think Simon would have won if the check fiasco hadn't occured. I was absolutely amazed how many people that turned off. It didn't affect me, since I know mistakes happen, but most voters apparently aren't quite that forgiving.

From what I saw of the results, it looks like Los Angeles County alone was enough to tip the balance of power Davis' way. Without LA, Simon would have won. I would therefore try and figure out why he was so unpopular here, and do something about it. I don't think of LA as a major Union town, or a major government worker town; why do so many people here support Davis?

Simon spent a lot of time in the more remote areas of the state, and it appears to have paid off with overwhelming support in those areas. But I wonder if a few more appearances in LA would have helped. The more people saw Simon in action, the more they liked him. I know this is true of RonDog, Tony in Hawaii and myself; and probably many others I haven't asked.

Anyway, I leave this election season with a certain sadness, since it was so much fun to spend my evenings and weekends in support of Bill Simon. It's hard to believe that there will be no more rides on the campaign bus, no more interesting events to go to in strange places, and no more political fun and excitement. I hope all the friends I've met during this campaign will stay in touch, and we'll find some new cause to interest us soon.

And I want to emphasize something: I have no doubt that many of the friends I've met on the trail will feel a depression, a letdown, a sense of failure. I'd like to tell them that I've loved working with them, and I look forward to doing so again. It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game - and I have yet to find finer partners in playing the game.

As a final tribute to the campaign and all the fun I've had on the trail, check out Gray & Me, my last Simon campaign video.

D

87 posted on 11/06/2002 8:50:59 AM PST by daviddennis
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To: Logic_3
Yes, Californians will pay dearly for their folly in electing their current statewide politicians. But that was already the case before this election.

There simply isn't enough state revenue to support the types of programs and spending that were already in place. I haven't seen a post about the bond elections in California yet, but I assume they passed as well.

The Democrats can lie to Californians about the condition of the state finances, but they can't lie to Wall Street. Economic reality is what killed the Soviet empire, and it's going to kill the California Democrat empire.

From the ashes of that collapse, California conservatives will arise. It's not going to be fun there in the meantime, though, and I wish California residents (which include all my relatives) the best.

88 posted on 11/06/2002 8:53:55 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: NormsRevenge

89 posted on 11/06/2002 8:54:49 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: Coop
Oh shoot! And I inadvertently - really! - left you out of my post #87, which I hope you'll check out.

Too many names to remember, I can never remember my own name half the time :-(.

Did you ever watch my Gray & Me video? I have a feeling you'd enjoy it.

D
90 posted on 11/06/2002 8:55:55 AM PST by daviddennis
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To: Tucson
Good prediction, though, sadly, correct. I spared myself the anxiety by not watching or listening to the talking-deads spin their views. When I learned this morning how close the California race came, I had to wonder what would have happened had Bush hit California for Simon. Granted, it's his brother, but, after his weekend visit to Florida, JEB was up 15 points over McBride (and that's about how it ended). Clearly, in politics, unabashed ruthlessness rules the day.

Exactly, the President is so popular that he gave Jeb Bush a ten point bounce in the polls although in most states he only accounted for a four point bounce. However, in California a four point bounce for Simon would have equated to a 46-43% victory over Gray Davis which would have been by far the biggest Election Night upset.
91 posted on 11/06/2002 8:57:23 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Hmm, maybe with the coming big earthquake(s) and a tsunami, the coast can become an island someplace in the great Pacific? Not that I wish for a tragedy to happen, but having the Left Coast out in the ocean sounds gooooood.
92 posted on 11/06/2002 8:58:44 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: bonesmccoy
Election of 2004 Impact Gray Davis is running for President in 2004.

Why? Davis is the Christi Todd Whitman of 2002. Davis got less than 50% of the vote statewide running for re-election in a year with low turnout in his state. He is down almost 11% of the vote from 1998.

Compare that with W. in Texas. In 1994 he won 54% to 46% against a very well known opponent (Ann Richards) who had lots of out of state friends especially in the entertainment and media industries. She often got lots of free national media usually in the form of cushy interviews on "The Late Show with David Letterman", "The Larry King Show", "The Today Show (Katie Kouric), "The Early Show" (Bryant Gumbel), etc. When W. ran for re-election in 1998 he got over 70% of the vote state wide and even carried the traditionally RAT areas of the state along the Rio Grande Valley and El Paso.

Davis gets little media outside of Califoria and adjacent states. The population of his own state dislikes him enough not to give him a majority vote to re-elect him. And this happened despite having enormous amount of money to bury his opponent. Considering his advantages in money and party registration Davis should have blown Simon out of the water.

93 posted on 11/06/2002 8:59:16 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: philetus
I was born in CA and am raising my family here as well. We may just have to consider relocating depending on what Davis decides to do.
94 posted on 11/06/2002 9:01:51 AM PST by oc-flyfish
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To: Paleo Conservative; bonesmccoy
Also look at Gray Davis' vote totals from 1998 to 2002. He got 1.7 million fewer votes this time. That is not a basis for starting a presidential campaign.
95 posted on 11/06/2002 9:04:55 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
When the next bill on foreign aid to third world countries comes before congress, we need to let our lawmakers know not to send California any.

You don't get it do you? You just don't have a clue.

It was the coastal liberal millionaires that put Davis over the top. For crying out loud, California is the 5 largest economic power house on the planet. Third world my butt. There is more money and wealth in California than *any* other state. How do you think Davis got all those millions?

I always said California was it's own seperate planet.

Maybe you should suggest, like others do, that more conservatives run away and flee, to states that offer nothing but desert barren wastelands or rainy fridged states, and leave the crown jewel of this great country to the political enemy.

Not me, no thanks. I will stay and fight it out. The best is always worth fighting for.

Third world? LOL! Our economic wake alone, would swallow your tiny state.

I see the California political scene as a no win for the GOP. I think we would have lost no matter the candidate or campaign.

Your jealousy for California is clouding your vision and thinking, as you type to a conservative California based website. California has been through many tough political changes, disasters etc, and survived, in spite of out of state, big mouths like you. And we will survive this too.

96 posted on 11/06/2002 9:06:20 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: oc-flyfish
Don't do it, remember, if you take away LA and SF, Davis got killed, like 4 to 1 against.
97 posted on 11/06/2002 9:10:26 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Pining_4_TX
In the next two years Davis will import millions more illegal aliens and asure that those already here can vote in the 2004 Presidential election. Many of those illegals will fan out from California to other states. The GOP will never get the majority of the hispanic vote and if we don't regain control of our borders, the dems will bury us. The lesson for the dems from the surprising upset in the 2002 elections is that they need to assure that more democrat, welfare, illegal voters are brought into the US as soon as possible.

We need to stop them. We cannot prevail forever against longer and longer odds. Thirteen million illegals already in the US are a clear and present danger.

98 posted on 11/06/2002 9:10:53 AM PST by Truth29
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To: CounterCounterCulture
OOPs,, Thanks.. I got my ChiCom senator miXed up with the chowderhead senator. ;-P
99 posted on 11/06/2002 9:20:32 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Norm, I want to take this opportunity to express my appreciation for all the hard work you have put into posting and debating the issues. You were an inspiration to us all. The few, the proud... Semper Fi
100 posted on 11/06/2002 9:20:53 AM PST by kellynla
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