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Is Stanley to Allard as Nader was to Gore?
Rocky Mountain News ^ | 11-1-02 | By M.E. Sprengelmeyer

Posted on 11/01/2002 10:07:17 AM PST by AdamSelene235

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To: AdamSelene235
Only one of them Has a realistic chance of getting elected and keeping the MUCH LARGER democrats hand out of your pocket.
21 posted on 11/01/2002 10:56:26 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: AdamSelene235
When you vote for Stanley you are effectively casting a vote for the Democrats.

You say you don't like government regulations, you don't want more taxes, but your vote will accomplish exactly that.

22 posted on 11/01/2002 10:57:01 AM PST by Myrean
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To: Myrean
You say you don't like government regulations, you don't want more taxes, but your vote will accomplish exactly that.

I spoke with Allard about the fiscal burden of government. He seemed to think it was not that high. I specifically questioned him on tax code simplification. He evaded the question. He didn't seem to have any enthusiam or sense or urgency regarding taxes.

Stanley, on the other hand, while lacking Allard's education and prudence, will jump up and down and scream that taxes are theft. Frankly, I agree.

Over-regulation and high taxes are the source of a Senator's power.It allows them to pick and choose which businesses will succeed. Why would they act against their own interests?

23 posted on 11/01/2002 11:04:26 AM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: hobbes1
Has a realistic chance of getting elected and keeping the MUCH LARGER democrats hand out of your pocket.

Yes, but both believe it is their right to rob me. Getting robbed is one thing, but groveling at the muggers feet and saying you deserve to be mugged is another.

24 posted on 11/01/2002 11:06:59 AM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
And he takes glee in the comparisons to Nader, who took 97,488 votes of disaffected liberals in the 2000 election in Florida, which Democrat Al Gore lost to George W. Bush by an official tally of 537 votes.

I always love this. If you remember the actual tally would have been well into the thousands but Algore and democrat vote fraud gave Algore more votes, so the official certified tally is onyl 537 votes.

25 posted on 11/01/2002 11:33:15 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: AdamSelene235
Have you checked Allard's voting record on taxes? What difference is it what he says to you at a campaign event or on the street? People grab him all-day, everyday and lay some gripe on him.

If Libertarians or any other malcontents, really cared about taxes, they'd vote strategically for the party that has lower taxes as a stated part of their platform, has created legislation eliminating taxes and has actually done it...the GOP.

To vote in a way you know will do nothing but raise taxes (allowing Democrats to win), shows that you are either stupid or lying.

I love it when you guys talk about "principles". That's always my favorite part.

26 posted on 11/01/2002 12:37:28 PM PST by Deb
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What difference is it what he says to you at a campaign event or on the street?

It wasn't a campaign event. But even if it was, why should that effect what he says? I expect Senators to be true to their word and carefully and thoughtfully form their policies. You've already scoffed at the notion of acting on principle, I suppose you're willing cave to the Greens and Dems when "necessary".

27 posted on 11/01/2002 12:56:31 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: Deb
To vote in a way you know will do nothing but raise taxes (allowing Democrats to win), shows that you are either stupid or lying.

Why provide a theif with the illusion of consent? If I am to be robbed and forced to purchase windmills which I know will fail, fine. Don't ask for my consent. Just threaten my life and my property and steal as much as you can. He has the power to dominate and control his subjects financially. He believes it acceptable to buy votes by investing in a fundamentally flawed technology. These things are obvious. Just don't ask for my approval.

28 posted on 11/01/2002 1:01:54 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
When I met him he was helping a company exclude itself from burdensome regulation in exchange for a fund raiser.

I say you're lying.

29 posted on 11/01/2002 1:10:25 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
When I met him he was helping a company exclude itself from burdensome regulation in exchange for a fund raiser.

I say you're lying.

All perfectly legal, mind you. Heck, I'm a shareholder in the company in question. We've already brought our product to market in China, but the US is a regulatory nightmare compared to China. Amusingly, the product was developed with American tax dollars. Ironic,no?

30 posted on 11/01/2002 1:30:04 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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When I met him he was helping a company exclude itself from burdensome regulation in exchange for a fund raiser.

That's illegal.

All perfectly legal, mind you.

That's a second lie. Helping a company "exclude itself from burdensome regulation in exchange for a fund raiser" is illegal.

Pretty ironic that you were attacking his alleged dishonesty, when your own posts are full of them.

31 posted on 11/01/2002 1:36:48 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: AdamSelene235
We are talking about a Senate seat, right? One of a hundred? Maybe you think Allard is running for Govenor, which would have some say in the dreaded windmill threat.

If you really cared as much as you claim, you'd be terrified to gamble with the possibility of a Democrat winning, because then your every stated nightmare is sure to come true.

Grow up, these absurd arguments are tiring and make you look silly.

32 posted on 11/01/2002 1:43:31 PM PST by Deb
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To: Roscoe
That's illegal.

Yeah, right. I suppose all those Senators receive corporate donations because businesses are deeply concerned with the democratic process.

All perfectly legal, mind you.

That's a second lie. Helping a company "exclude itself from burdensome regulation in exchange for a fund raiser" is illegal.

Oh, its not a signed contract or anything. It just kinda works out that way. There are perfectly legal ways of influencing Congress's behavior. The corporate welfare system is quite sophisticated and responsive to the needs of its designers.

Pretty ironic that you were attacking his alleged dishonesty, when your own posts are full of them.

I'm just calling them as I see em. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

33 posted on 11/01/2002 1:44:43 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
Yeah, right.

Yes, right. You've falsely accused him of a crime, and now you're trying to spin your way out of it.

I don't know how honest Mr. Allard is or isn't, but your dishonesty is readily apparent.

34 posted on 11/01/2002 1:47:49 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Deb
Maybe you think Allard is running for Govenor, .

The Governor is also a RINO and has predictably caved on gun control among other things. To quote Owens on the subject "What are gun owners going to do, vote Democrat?" Don't stab me in the back like that and expect my future co-operation.

which would have some say in the dreaded windmill threat

Its symptomatic of a larger problem. And he tried to BS me on the subject which didn't improve my view of him.

If you really cared as much as you claim, you'd be terrified to gamble with the possibility of a Democrat winning, because then your every stated nightmare is sure to come true.

The Republicans are 10X better than the Dems but the Good Cop/Bad Cop routine is getting old.

Grow up, these absurd arguments are tiring and make you look silly.

I don't see anything immature or absurd about this line of arguementation. Allard clearly thinks the Greens are more important that the LP. Perhaps he's right. I am simply not interested in compromising with Socialists.

35 posted on 11/01/2002 1:56:16 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
You're just interested in electing 'em.
36 posted on 11/01/2002 1:58:30 PM PST by Deb
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To: Roscoe
Yes, right. You've falsely accused him of a crime, and now you're trying to spin your way out of it.

No, I haven't accused him of a crime. I've merely explained how one legally gains political influence in this country.

I don't know how honest Mr. Allard is or isn't, but your dishonesty is readily apparent

Ok. Why don't you try defending windmills or do you find name calling easier?

37 posted on 11/01/2002 1:59:02 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: Deb
You're just interested in electing 'em.

Electing whom? Socialists? No, in that case I'd vote dem.

Why don't the R's run someone who isn't embarrased to clearly state their beliefs on taxation or socialism.

If not a Goldwater how about at least a Reagan? I haven't heard much talk about limited government out of the R's lately.

38 posted on 11/01/2002 2:04:06 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
Dems are Socialists, genius. Good luck with your brain.
39 posted on 11/01/2002 2:06:53 PM PST by Deb
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Dems are Socialists, genius. Good luck with your brain.

I believe that is what I just said.

I see you have also resorted to name calling rather than debate.

Good day.

40 posted on 11/01/2002 2:11:24 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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