Israel Keeps Us Safe; We Keep It On the Verge of Extinction

Israel National News ^ | November 1, 2002 | Steven Zak

[1bigdictator]

I know this article will make you feel all warm and fuzzy toward Israel... you r nothing if not rational and compassionate;^)

[Gooseberry]

It has been said that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East. However, before the state of Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.

[American Preservative]

Thank you for posting 1bd.

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[1bigdictator]

Before the state of Israel their were no jet liners to be hijacked by the Arabs... nor had they amassed a fortune in oil money, prior to 1948, to fund their belligerent ambitions against the west.

The Jihadis turn to the Koran for inspiration to murder non-Muslims, the issue of Israel is a mere smoke screen to divert the attention of the more gullible elements in our society.

[Lent]

It has been said that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East. However, before the state of Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.

Yeah instead the existing Arab states or those emerging at the time had a great deal of empathy and sometimes outright support for the Nazis.

[Godel]

Seems like they have a point. Its like dissing your best friend so you can fit in with the "in" crowd. Its a scummy immoral thing to do. We should stand by our friends and support those who are right. The US treats Israel better than most countries do, but not as well as it deserves to be treated.

[1bigdictator]

Thanks for your rational, well thought out response to this article. I'm glad you noted the disparity in the return on our investment when you compared the collective foreign aid that's gifted to Islamic states with that which the U.S. receives from Israel.

I agree w/ you; it is outstanding that countries like Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar... ect.... collectively receive much more aid then Israel receives, on an annual basis, because they convert that support into so many wholesome programs that benefit American interests.

American tax dollars fund Madrasas's in these respective countries with a curriculum of Wahabi flavored Shari'a law... you know the strain of Islam that teaches a devout Muslim must lie and deceive non-Muslims b/c we are kafirs. Moreover, it teaches the expansion of radical Islam is the paramount duty of every Muslim.

So they don't believe in multiculturalism or pluralistic societies. So they believe the presence of Christians in any country, even if Christians are the majority (Philippines), is blasphemous to their faith. So they don't respect cultural or religious freedoms in their own country or abroad. So they don't tolerate fundamental human rights of women or any non-Muslim. I agree with you, funding these regimes and fanatics with the resources to further radicalize their populations is a good thing. Who cares if some of this money gets funneled into terrorist operations against the civilized world? I agree with you, it's a small price to pay to placate our Arab allies who show us so much mutual respect.

On the other hand we have foreign aid to Israel, and I agree with you, it is frustrating that $.75 of every dollar in aid is reinvested in our defense industry that then supplies Israel w/ military hardware, and thereby comes back into our economy. It's so much more fun under the Arab model of return on investment where we get to gamble and anticipate the end-product of this support... will it be domestic terror, children's textbooks filled w/ virulent anti-Semitic and anti-American propaganda or funding of contraband black market materials for WMDs. You are right to only criticize support for Israel and remain silent on our support for Islamic ppls and countries... My favorite game at the casinos is roulette; it gives the worst odds and usually leads to an unfavorable outcome.

[Lent]

BTTT

[eclectic]

Wow! What would happen if Israel didn't exist? Chaos, Death, or Destruction? I doubt there would even be a United States without these brave freedom fighters. I wish the stupid American taxpayer would have forked over $500 billion instead of the miserly $250 billion to these brave souls.

Ouch! That irony stings! BTW, why $250 billion? It should be in trillions-quadrillions! The Joos control all American capital, as you know

[agrace]

Even if they´re attacked we don´t want them involved in Iraq, for fear of offending the Arabs (Interestingly, we don´t worry that involving the Arabs might lose us the support of Israel).

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[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the amount of direct aid, since the camp David Accords has amounted to approximately a quarter trillion.

Assuming $3 billion annual for Israel and $2 billion annual for Egypt, the cost of Camp David is around $115 billion (5 bil/yr * 23 yrs). I guess if you used inflation-adjusted dollars it would probably add up to the equivalent of a quarter-trillion in "2002 money", but not in actual dollars.

Realistically, this represents the cost of maintaining an Anti-Israeli foreign policy.

"Anti-Israeli", you say? "How can that be.... I thought we were going to blame the Joooooz for the Cost of Camp David!!"

Yes, Anti-Israeli.

• Camp David forced the Israelis to sacrifice the Sinai Peninsula, and with it her strategic defense-in-depth capability versus Egypt. True, Israel has received a subsidy of $3 billion per year for this sacrifice -- but she had to abandon the riches of the Sinai Oilfields in order to get the subsidy. Half a dozen of one, six of the other.
• Meanwhile, Egypt has gotten the Sinai Peninsula, the Sinai Oilfields, and $2 billion per year in US taxpayer subsidies.

Israel "gave up" more than she "gained" in the Camp David accords, all for a "peace treaty" scrap of paper which everyone knows will be immediately torn up and repudiated by Egypt if Islamic Fundamentalists ever come to power therein. Meanwhile, Egypt got the Land, the Oil, and US taxpayer subsidies.

In short, Egypt made out like a bandit.

Meanwhile, the US taxpayer gets shafted both ways -- they get to reimburse Israel for her losses, as well as pay Egypt for her gains.

The sensible thing would've been to adopt a Neutralist foreign policy, paying neither side one red cent of US Taxpayer money and leaving Israel as the dominant Military Power in the Middle East. Instead, we adopted an Anti-Israel foreign policy, and we have paid through the nose.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I agree that the US taxpayer should completely stay out of these types of arrangements. Furthermore, the obvious corollary of this policy would be to let Israel completely defend itself. Of course, the inner party lobby in the US would never let this happen.

The "inner party" lobby in US Middle East policy is hopelessly divided against itself.

• The Defense Department likes Israel because it's the only port in the Middle East where our troops get treated like Princes.
• The State Department likes the Arabs because they like the cheap oil.

As a result of this division, our Foreign Relations with the Middle East are hopelessly muddled. The Arabs hate us because of what they see as Defense Department favoritism towards Israel; but by the same token, the Arabs are perfectly happy to belly up to the bar and claim a hefty share of the grift when the State Department is passing out billions of US Taxpayer dollars to bribe Israel into giving up key defensive territories in exchange for Arab "peace promises".

I agree that the best attitude for the US would be to stay out of it entirely. We'd have saved about a hundred billion dollars over the last 23 years, and Israel would still be in control of the Sinai (and the Sinai Oilfields)... and the Arabs could go pound sand.

[Abar]

When "allies" like France and Germany denounce us for pursuing the removal of Saddam Hussein, Israel unwaveringly stands by our side.

Not to mention eating 39 scuds with ? as payloads.

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