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Mr Linux basks in the limelight (WINDOWS BEWARE?)
BBC News ^ | October 5, 2002 | BBC News

Posted on 10/05/2002 3:22:29 AM PDT by MadIvan

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To: B Knotts
No, they are breaking the undocumented APIs related to the windowing system. There is a reason why they are undocumented, APPLE DOES NOT WANT PEOPLE USING THEM! These are being used to modify how it looks and feels by outside developers. Tough cookies. Cry me a river. From what I hear, Linus and co do similar stuff all the time with Linux.
61 posted on 10/08/2002 2:47:23 PM PDT by dheretic
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To: B Knotts
What's you point?

That pretty much all of the cool stuff in "Linux" has nothing to do with Linux. Python is a very cool Linux scripting language. I run it in OSX all the time.....

62 posted on 10/08/2002 2:48:33 PM PDT by dheretic
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To: dheretic
From what I hear, Linus and co do similar stuff all the time with Linux.

ROFL

HELLO?!?

That's not possible, when everyone has the SOURCE CODE.

Egad.

63 posted on 10/08/2002 3:19:58 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: dheretic
These are being used to modify how it looks and feels by outside developers. Tough cookies.

You've summarized Apple's attitude towards customers perfectly.

There is a reason why they are undocumented, APPLE DOES NOT WANT PEOPLE USING THEM!

And there is why I can never go back to proprietary, closed-source software. I want control over my computer.

64 posted on 10/08/2002 3:22:45 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
I want control over my computer

So use assembly and be done with it if you really want control over your computer. I for one am happy with the documented APIs they provide. They are consistent and stable. Apple doesn't want people to use the undocumented APIs because they want developers to maintain binary compatability between different versions of OSX. If the APIs were mature and/or safe enough to facilitate that, they would be public. I'm a OSX user and have no problem with them not disclosing certain APIs if they feel they're not things I should be playing with. They aren't Microsoft. They aren't hiding parts of core APIs to maintain a competitive advantage. They are doing so so that joe blow hacker can't write a mod that a bunch of idiot users will install incorrectly that will trash Quartz and Aqua or something like that. OSX's core is open. If you want to see how Darwin works, go to Apple's site and download the source. If you want to see how their supported APIs work, go to their website and download the developer documentation. Anything else, go to fink.sourceforge.net. Apple has been open sourcing stuff like Rendezvouz so keep an open mind.

65 posted on 10/08/2002 7:37:31 PM PDT by dheretic
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That's not possible, when everyone has the SOURCE CODE

Ummm, hate to break it to you, but Linus and the other core maintainers can break whatever the f$%^ they feel like breaking in the official distribution. If Linus changes parts of the kernel that control how to interact with device drivers and you didn't strictly stick with the offical driver APIs your drivers may be broken. Why? You strayed out of the safety zone of the official kernel driver APIs into unsupported territory that can change at the team's discretion. When you dig deep for hacks like what these OSX hackers are trying you often end up using code that was never intended for anyone other than the development team to use. There is no difference between OSS and closed source here.

66 posted on 10/08/2002 7:45:15 PM PDT by dheretic
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They aren't Microsoft.

They're the same thing, only less successful.

I've been through the proprietary ringer. Don't wanna go back there, and now, thanks to GNU and Linux, I don't have to.

67 posted on 10/08/2002 9:45:06 PM PDT by B Knotts
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