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Era of Big Government Has Just Begun
TechCentralStation.com ^ | 09/23/2002 | James Pinkerton

Posted on 09/23/2002 7:18:00 PM PDT by billybudd

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To: FreedomFriend

201 posted on 09/24/2002 10:44:10 AM PDT by rintense
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To: Cultural Jihad
Who else said that tonight?

I know and you know. I didn't want to be accused of plagiarism, so I "modified" it slightly ;)

203 posted on 09/24/2002 11:08:55 AM PDT by strela
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To: tacticalogic
Ah. Thanks for the correction. I knew it came from a humanist moral-liberal ideologue who hates self-governance, but just forgot which one exactly. Still, who's to say that Clark Wolf didn't lift it from Che Guevara?
204 posted on 09/24/2002 11:16:26 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Savage Beast
"...money is flowing to those that deal, not in goods, but in favors... "...men get richer by graft and pull than by work... "...your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you... "...corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming self-sacrifice..." These are chilling words, En. Chilling and sobering.

You got that right

205 posted on 09/24/2002 11:36:29 AM PDT by biffalobull
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To: Cultural Jihad
Ah. Thanks for the correction. I knew it came from a humanist moral-liberal ideologue who hates self-governance, but just forgot which one exactly. Still, who's to say that Clark Wolf didn't lift it from Che Guevara?

That's pretty much the same lame excuse you gave the last time. I guess lying about someone is ok as long as you're lying about the "right" people. Strange stuff, this "moral relativism" you rail against so frequently.

206 posted on 09/24/2002 11:42:43 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: ThomasJefferson

207 posted on 09/24/2002 11:45:19 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Savage Beast

208 posted on 09/24/2002 11:52:56 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: tacticalogic; Cultural Jihad
Hey, Bushbots, get your quotes straight won't you? Here's the link for Claire Wolfe's quote:
http://www.theclairefiles.com/
209 posted on 09/24/2002 1:19:08 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: headsonpikes; bat-boy; FreedomFriend


It's the attack of the Bushbots!
210 posted on 09/24/2002 2:01:42 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: Cultural Jihad
So to whom can the quote ultimately be attributed?
211 posted on 09/24/2002 5:59:35 PM PDT by missileboy
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To: missileboy
What "Che" actually said...

Where a government has come into power through some form of popular vote, fraudulent or not, and maintains at least an appearance of constitutional legality, the guerrilla outbreak cannot be promoted, since the possibilities of peaceful struggle have not yet been exhausted."

Apparently, she paraphrased...p>

212 posted on 09/24/2002 6:28:06 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: LibTeeth; MJY1288; Texasforever; Bill D. Berger
Many of the freepers who identify themselves as "conservatives" seem to be nothing more than Dubya's cheerleaders, no matter what the issue. Look at the "debate" that has ensued - their responses to specifically listed infringements, atrocities and government expansion programs are emotionally-driven childish retorts that "the left" is typically known for. Tex and MJY seem to be somewhat reasonable people still (there is still some debate to be gotten out of you), unlike many others in their camp, so I've taken the liberty to send this response directly to them as well.

These same freepers feel that we're attacking their "conservative" position, which is really a misrepresentation. I'd say we're attacking them for their lack of a position. They talk of conservative principles, but the minute we criticize Bush for worshipping at the altar of the state, we're labeled as disruptors. "We don't understand compromise", "we don't understand popular opinion", or my personal favorite - "we can't just let the other guy in".

Considering the undeniable geometric growth rate of today's Federal government, which as far as I can tell, probably started sometime around 1916 (or would it be 1860's?),one is left to wonder if these freepers have ever questioned how this is possible if "their team" is really fighting for smaller government.

I can only imagine a few possibilities:

They're interested in going to hell at the slowest possible rate - not in reversing the trend - due to fear that no matter how bad "their guy" gets, the "other guy" would have been worse.

They actually quite like government largesse, so long as it's their kind of government largesse.

They're chiefly interested in belonging to a clan that discourages individual thinking and rewards a collective mindset, arising out of a need to belong, no different than their "liberal" counterparts - hence the incessant posting of the number five to "the group", during which they're surely giggling and high-fiving each other like a group of pre-pubescent boys playing spin the bottle with the girls next door.

I can only guess that if they were truly alarmed by our current state of affairs, they'd spend less time calling out the clan with their secret messages and devote a little more time to breaking the cycle. The problem of their guy dialectically implementing a collectivist agenda couldn't exist without their support.

That is to say, you can mock libertarians by telling us we can only dream of creating "sensible policy" or by making fun of the % of the vote we get at the polls, but this is all irrelevant. The truth is, if the pubbies lost a samll fraction of their traditional base to third parties, such as the "losertarians", the party would respond. Dubya might even come back more conservative than Reagan ever was. And of course, the "losertarians" would have won - we don't care if it's "our guy" in the White House, we only care to see freedom advanced - not simply collectivism delayed. Of course, it all requires sticking to your guns, and not waving your pompons and doing a high leg kick when Dubya implements a farm bill that will cost the average family a couple thousand over the next few years, or when he undeniably speaks the U.N. language of globalism.

Want to see if libertarians are just a bunch of whining losers who coo meaningless nothings about freedom? Fine. Let's see if you can actually hold your ground (if you can stick to your principles) to reverse the trend of government explosion for the first time in 100 years or so. I think you'd then see overwhelming support for Republicans from many in the libertarian camp (myself included).

That would be real change, for a change.

213 posted on 09/24/2002 6:49:09 PM PDT by missileboy
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To: MJY1288
What's the matter? No Mexicans to spit at today?

Let me see if I can help you. The Illegal aliens, by the millions are spitting on you and me and everyone else in America. They spit on our laws and our sovereignty everyday.

I am an American citizen. Why would you attack me? Jezzz, wake up man... LOL!

214 posted on 09/24/2002 10:12:20 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"Why would you attack me?"

Look at your post to me and figure it out for yourself Sherlock

215 posted on 09/24/2002 10:19:58 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: MJY1288
Mention the word "Government" and the bed wetting starts with these fearless patriots

Bed wetting? LOL!

Direct from the voice of another big government apologist....

What's the matter? No Mexicans to spit at today?

Let me see if I can help you. The Illegal aliens, by the millions are spitting on you and me and everyone else in America. They spit on our laws and our sovereignty everyday.

I am an American citizen. Why would you attack me? Jezzz, wake up man... LOL!

"Why would you attack me?"

Look at your post to me and figure it out for yourself Sherlock

Uh, look, you are the one that is obviously sticking up for big government, just read above and that's fairly clear. Then you bring up Mexican illegal aliens, and it seems you are obviously sticking up for the illegals too. Or are you just grabing at thin air for the race card, like a good neocon?

So lets see, you are for big government and illegal aliens. And you try and pass yourself off as a conservative patriot? LOL!

Folks, you got to love this stuff.......Yes is no, right is wrong, vote yes on no. These liberal neocons are the new breed Republicrat.....

You fit quite nicely into the two party cartel. Maybe you'll even get elected.......

216 posted on 09/25/2002 8:02:15 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: missileboy
Bump.
217 posted on 09/25/2002 8:30:54 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Joe Hadenuf
First off $ick head, none of my post were directed at you, and you are the one that wants 100,000 government agents on the borders. Second, Yopu are just a whining p*ssy like the rest of you worthless LibertariansYuck Fou
218 posted on 09/25/2002 8:47:13 AM PDT by MJY1288
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To: MJY1288
You seem angry. Lots of juvenile name calling.

I never called for 100,000 government agents on the border. Of course, you know that. That's why there is no quote from me stating so.

As I have always stated, the government has no intention of stopping this massive invasion of millions. Otherwise it would have never got to this point total lawlessness and a completer, border "free for all".

Most here know that, and it's pretty clear to most that wont even admit it, and stand in silence, that this is true.. Just like our government does on this issue, as it too stands in stone silence.

Your name calling from your post #218 is pretty weak, petty, and revealing.

Good day.....
219 posted on 09/25/2002 4:15:58 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
You started it $ick Head
220 posted on 09/25/2002 4:20:20 PM PDT by MJY1288
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