Clinton adm. blocked intel: known Al-Qaeda flight students lived openly in San Diego

The Washington Times via FrontPage.com ^ | Sept. 23, 2002 | Bill Gertz

[marron]

Or ass covering...

Oh, yeah, that too. Big time.

[swarthyguy]

>>obviously its incompetence

I don't think its that obvious at all.

Field agents and even the Filipino Intelligence had their eyes wide open. Our management types did not. Why were senior intel types spiking all requests by field agents.

Why was this allowed to continue up until September 11.

It's far more malicious than incompetence, IMO.

Even now, we can't confront the Saudis when their hands are in every islamic charity and every jihadi has transited through Pakistan for training and financial help.

Our 'allies' are our enemies and yet we don't contemplate regime change in Saudi or removing WMD in Pakistan.

[Destro]

Putin, went "listen George, I don't know what they told you about my problems in Chechnya, but they are also al-Qaida. Let us be a common front against this evil, I can substitute Saudi oil to you no problem" or words to that effect. The instincts of Bush is (as demonstarted) to do the right thing.

[Lion's Cub]

Thanks for your link in #35. I was especially interested in Elkiejg's post #23 on that thread--I hadn't picked up on the Marc Rich connection yet, but it all fits.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/741067/posts?page=1#23

[Paulus Invictus]

My daughter was interviewed by the CIA during the Klintoon adm. She asked if her political views, that were then somewhat left of center at that time, would compromise her admittance as a CIA employee. The interviewer laughed and told her, "No way. Most of us are liberals now and we like new blood." She did not get the job and I was pleased.

[marron]

Our 'allies' are our enemies and yet we don't contemplate regime change in Saudi or removing WMD in Pakistan.

We certainly didn't contemplate regime change anywhere prior to 9/11. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to note that our relations with the Saudis, pre-9/11, were unnaturally close. The Saudis were a virtual protectorate, and a Saudi citizen had all the privileges of a US citizen, except voting. And since they were business partners with most of our rulers, key senators, defense department guys, top CIA guys, etc, who needs to vote?

Coming out of the eighties, when the US/Saudi partnership had beaten the Soviets in Afghanistan, this rather incestuous relationship may not have seemed so perverse. But precisely because so many of our leaders found themselves business partners with the Saudis, our leaders were slow to see the shift as our "proxies" began to turn on us.

This is similar to the situation with the Chinese, where people on both sides of the aisle have been corrupted by, not just direct Chinese money, but worse, partnerships in business ventures in China.

Such things are usually legal, but cannot help but corrupt the process. It blinds our pols to the threat coming from their personal friends and business partners.

Post 9/11, the Saudis are very much in danger. Eyes are opened, and the warmth some Americans felt toward them has gone. The overthrow of Saddam may very well have repercussions in Riyadh, and there isn't much sympathy for them. I am predicting the end of the monarchy, post-Saddam, and I think they do too, which is why the Saudis oppose intervention.

[ventana]

Are you kidding? Because of the fiasco down in Miami/Dade/Broward, the Presidential agency review and and appointments process was put on hold. The time spent fighting in Floriduh should have been prep time going into the Presidency. Once there, the democrats held up appointments too, I believe. Moreover, the corruption was so entrenched and deep it would have taken a policy of singleminded ferreting out of each and every rank and file, field and department head not on board with the current administration and all the stupid policies enacted by Clinton, policies which eliminated cooperation or prevented the correct training of Intelligence agents.

What the hell, Giuliani took on the destroyed City College of New York six years ago, and it's only now turning around after getting rid of much of the liberal infection. Now try that on two National Bureaus of secrecy. What do you do for a living sell tickets at the local cineplex? V's wife.

[Hoplite]

So lemme get this straight - you're now at the point where you consider it noteworthy (hence, pinging me) when you tuck your tail between your legs and run off to some other thread (i.e., here) in order to slander me and misrepresent my statements to you?

Do you have any parents I can speak to? I've been mistaken in my appraisal of you all along and you are proving to be a mere juvenile, craving attention rather than discourse.

Your formulative years could be much better spent hanging out in the girl's room during recess, trash talking the cheerleaders, than receiving constant correction here on FR - in all fairness, this environment is just not good for your, um, self esteem or something I'm sure - ask your parents, they'll explain.

[smokegenerator]

The university I attended, the number of Afghan students a few years above the average age (24-28) in attendance were numerous. In fact, they were very active with the Muslim Student Org in their fight to lift the Bosnian Embargo. After an article submitted to the university paper from my fellow Serbian friend. The Afghanis personally threatened him with bodily harm. An acquantance of his knew these Afghanis and informed us that these guys were Mujahideens that fought the Soviet Union.

Now, they acknowledge the problem when they were informed of that situation back in 1993 from an unidentified concerned Serb.

[Betty Jo]

Are you saying that you think a Saudi citizen in Saudi has all the "rights" an American in America does , except voting?

If you are, don't you know that is not the truth?

[Betty Jo]

Gee, why do you think that?

Have you seen the tape of Condi saying she and no one knew about planes being used as weapons before 9/11?

Is that not the utterance of a highly paid fool, one who is paid the big bucks to advise Bush on "National Secirity?

[marron]

Are you saying that you think a Saudi citizen in Saudi has all the "rights" an American in America does , except voting? If you are, don't you know that is not the truth?

Clearly thats not what I meant... what I intended to say is that, until very recently in the post 9/11 world, a Saudi had almost all the rights of an American, while in America. I was referring to the fact that a Saudi did not have to apply for a visa to come to the US, he could simply board the plane. US Customs and Immigration tended to treat them with kid gloves.

Saudis have typically been allowed to come and go at will. They were, after all, Saudis.

[Betty Jo]

Sorry I didn't understand.

[sibb1213]

It was all a big joke to them! They never thought of what they did to the country, did not care.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

It seems so. )^:

One of the last minute "jokes" Clinton played on President Bush (and America)- on the day after the electoral college elected President Bush, Dec. 19, 2000 - Clinton went to the UN and demanded new, tougher sanctions on the Taliban if they didn't hand over Osama bin Laden in 30 days. Even Kofi bawked, but went ahead and acted...after pulling all UN workers out of Afghanistan...he, and Clinton knew how the Taliban and Osama would react. The 30 day grace period ended Jan. 19, 2001, President Bush's inaugeral eve.

Clinton then went on to put our oil reserves in ANWR and clean coal off limits, put his own people in as the nation's "cybersecurity" experts to supervise the nation's computer threats, allowed advanced computer technology sales to China, added a few political stinkbombs with the new arsenic regulations, roadless initiatives, etc.

Clinton skipped out the door with more than the W's on the keyboards, truckloads of documents, and gifts meant for the White House. I think the "pardon scandal" was press cover for the real scandal of Clinton's last days....intentionally undermining our national security.

[Destro]

I pinged you because I mentioned you, as a courtesy. You have pushed the Iran and al-Qaida were not allies theory on here the hardest. Enjoy the discussion.

[Jerez2]

I think there is plenty of evidence that shows Bush & Co. were aware of the threat of Al-Quaida and taking serious steps to stop them. The plan was ready for Rice's sign-off on Sept. 10. That means the thinking and planning were already started, which is why we were able to get boots on the ground within two months. This administration is orders-of-magnitude better than Clinton's, both in terms of "good" vs. evil, and "good" vs. incompetent.

[Marysecretary]

You've got that right. I am so amazed at how Clinton and his cronies have been able to cause so much damage and never have had to or probably ever will have to pay for it in any fashion. It just boggles my mind. If we had done anything close to what the Clintons have done, we'd be sitting in jail right now for life! Well, my only comfort is that one day they will stand before God and He will say, "Depart from me you evildoers, I never knew you." THAT punishment is eternal--no parole, not ever. I don't gloat over that, I just wish they'd see the light and fess up!

[Mark17]

He will say, "Depart from me you evildoers, I never knew you." THAT punishment is eternal--no parole, not ever. I don't gloat over that, I just wish they'd see the light and fess up!

I don't gloat over that either, but maybe this is what He meant when He said vengeance is mine, says the Lord.

[Havisham]

...My daughter was interviewed by the CIA during the Klintoon adm. She asked if her political views, that were then somewhat left of center at that time, would compromise her admittance as a CIA employee. The interviewer laughed and told her, "No way. Most of us are liberals now and we like new blood." She did not get the job and I was pleased.

The very infection I feared.