This Is How To Halve The Crime Rate: So Why Aren't We Doing It? (UK)

The Telegraph ^ | 9-15-2002

[expatpat]

Eventually, they are going to have to go the prison-building route.

The US population finally got fed up with rising crime and forced the politicians to act. That will happen in Britain one of these days.

[Skwidd]

"The convicted criminal has only to wear the tag between 7pm and 7am. For the rest of the day, he is free to commit crime - which is what most of them do.

WTF is this?!?!?! I guess the 'subjects' have no say in this...

[Rocksalt]

I watched a movie recently that showed how the British police have CCTV cameras mounted all over London keeping an eye on activitys on the street.I guess these have not been working to control crime.They have the cameras hooked up to facial recognition technology so they can pick out wanted criminals out of a crowd.All this seems to be failing to control crime.

[JSteff]

Seeing that we are so far ahead of them by statistics how dare anyone from Bitain ever comment about our method of handling crime. Funny, how dare anyone ever say jail and death penalties doen't prevent crime.

Interesting our rates have dropped correspondingly to the reinstatement of death penalties and sentencing guidelines. Hmmmm

[litany_of_lies]

More criminals in prison in Britain is only a small part of the answer. Some of the other needed elements, which the US has in certain instances also failed to implement, are:
- Restoration of gun rights. Armed criminals have absolutely nothing to fear from a gunless population.
- Restoration of self-defense rights. In Britain, if you defend yourself and hurt the perp, YOU can be, and many people have been arrested, tried and convicted (somone please tell me I'm wrong, but I don't think so).
- Restoration ohe death penalty.
- Deportation of illegal immigrants.

I believe it's true that most of London is now considered to be more dangerous than most large American cities, except maybe Detroit, Chicago, and Atlanta, for all crimes except murder.

[Concentrate]

Know any Conservative criminologists? Me neither. They are Liberal idiots in the position of dictating policy, for the most part. Of course they're scratching their heads. They are aghast at the fact that their policies, which they didn't get to completely implement, thank God, haven't worked.

Now to bring down the murder rate we need to implement the death penalty for murder. If you rape or assault, you will get prison, but if you pull the trigger, or otherwise cause the victimto die, you hang. Watch the murder rate drop to near zero.

I'm so tired of the Liberal, Gramscian lies. They will support any law or policy so long as it has the effect of destroying our nation.

For Newbies and some Lurkers, do a search on Antonio Gramsci.

[blam]

"I watched a movie recently that showed how the British police have CCTV cameras mounted all over London keeping an eye on activitys on the street."

I saw that too. They even have a CCTV on the CCTV so they can catch those who damage them, lol.

[blam]

"For Newbies and some Lurkers, do a search on Antonio Gramsci."

...also, check under "Prison Papers"

[Concentrate]

Probably because crime prevention was not the cameras' principle purposes. Population control was and is.

[Concentrate]

Oh, thank you. I shall.

[Rocksalt]

Ha Ha! That's where the kids climb up the poles and throw raincoats over the cameras or spraypaint the lenses. I'm curious,do you know,are guns still totally illegal in G.B.,someone told me the laws changed over there at some point to where a person can carry one with a permit. More people over there having self-protection might help the situation.I'm also wondering if shooting an armed assailant is permitable over there.Anyone know?

[Rocksalt]

Population control? Explain how CCTV cameras do that? Monitoring their activitys or what?

[blam]

Don't know. Let's ask FReeper MadIvan, he lives in London.

[semaj]

The author is very careful not to mention gun ownership in America. I believe this fact plays more of a role in deterring crime than proponents of gun ownership might realize.

[Billthedrill]

The result is the pathetically small number of three-year sentences for domestic burglars caught for the third time.

Three years. For the third conviction. It strikes me that one thing that has happened in the last thirty years is the "three-strikes-you're-out" life sentencing for lifestyle felons. That, of course, is also "disproportionate and barbaric." Works, too.

I know that in my state, Washington, things got to the point where under 10% of the criminals were committing 80% of the crime. If an appreciable proportion of those are not in prison for life that would help explain the drop in crime, wouldn't it?

[Shooter 2.5]

Since we're fantasizing, can I add one more?

There is no use in rewarding someone with a bad aim. Attempted murder should be a capital crime punishable by death.

[supercat]

Know any Conservative criminologists? Me neither.

Well, Gary Kleck set out to prove that guns cause crime, and was honest enough to reveal (in "Point Blank") that his research in fact showed the opposite.

[marktwain]

Well, Gary Kleck set out to prove that guns cause crime, and was honest enough to reveal (in "Point Blank") that his research in fact showed the opposite.

Your are correct. Notice how very carefully the author of this article keeps from mentioning guns at all? But over the time period mentioned, 30 of the 50 states changed to a "shall issue" type of concealed carry permit, which, by Dr. Lott's studies, was very effective in reducing crime. Now, 44 states have some type of legal concealed carry for citizens, while the other 6 are in the totalitarian category of only allowing it for agents of the state.

The author also fails to mention that the ownership of pistols, all semi-automatic and pump rifles and shotguns, were also made illegal over this period in Britain. Self defense, as was previously mentioned, has also been gradually made illegal.

[BulletBrasDotNet]

It's very simple. Enter my house, uninvited, then you are invited to the cemetery for planting your ass in another piece of ground that you were not persuing in your pursute of your pursute. 1,200 rounds of 9mm from a Browning High Power is not a welcome note towards aggressive persons in this household.