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Special Ops boarding ship to search for Nuclear Material off the NJ shore
Fox News Alert | 9/12/02 | Brytani

Posted on 09/12/2002 10:15:38 AM PDT by Brytani

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To: r9etb
IMHO, any jettisoning would have been seen and noted.

There would always be opportunities. Depends on the material, timing, lighting, crew factors, etc.

301 posted on 09/12/2002 11:50:45 AM PDT by crypt2k
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Here's that link to the targetting of ships with nuclear material in the far east.
302 posted on 09/12/2002 11:50:57 AM PDT by piasa
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To: EternalHope
Not if it is shielded.

Can you go into more detail? How much shielding? Sheilding with what? How heavy? How difficult is it to do? Etc.

303 posted on 09/12/2002 11:51:02 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: crypt2k
Worrying won't do anybody any good. We've got some of our best on it so let them do their work and you get on with yours.
It will probably turn out to be nothing. In these times the "working" government is being super-careful.
You won't live a moment longer or go a second sooner than God has writ for you.
304 posted on 09/12/2002 11:51:04 AM PDT by thegreatbeast
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To: harpseal
The vessel was originally boarded by a USCG inspection team that heard some soises they did not like in the hold.

Yes. And the first reports indicated that they detected "fluctuating" radiation. I thought that a bit odd. Someone trying to put extra shielding in place/move the source?

305 posted on 09/12/2002 11:51:14 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: DETAILER; All
they also need to check every single place in the US that ship has been for about the last year or so and search them

Agreed.

I wonder if there are any freepers in the shipping industry that could supply the info. If so, could we have her tracking and port calls since September 11th 2001

306 posted on 09/12/2002 11:52:05 AM PDT by John_11_25
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To: harpseal
It was while searching for stoways that the radiation alert was sounded. Now if there were stoways then and there are none now??? The possibility of an underwater hatch is not all that remote.

The inspectors heard suspicious sounds from the ship's hold. They found nothing to explain the sounds.

I was quite happy to ignore this part of the story until you brought this up. WHAT WERE THE NOISES?

307 posted on 09/12/2002 11:52:23 AM PDT by EternalHope
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To: EternalHope
Neutrons have to be of precisely the right energy to induce secondary radioactivity in inert materials. That's why fission reactor containment materials don't become radioactive. Rather gamma and neutron bombardment induces chemical changes which gradually reduce the tensile strength of containment materials such that they lose much of their utility in that role. Have a nice day.
308 posted on 09/12/2002 11:52:47 AM PDT by Thud
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To: Hatteras
bump
309 posted on 09/12/2002 11:52:56 AM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: Cachelot
And the first reports indicated that they detected "fluctuating" radiation.

It's that whole "detecting" part that's got my attention. Is that a typical search? Or is it an indication of prior intel?

310 posted on 09/12/2002 11:53:33 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: EternalHope
Umm here is the ships recent itinerary. As if we needed a reason:

The Palermo Senator is owned by the firm Reederei F. Laeisz of Hamburg, Germany, and regularly plies the route between New York and the Far East.

Its last port of call was Valencia, Spain, but in the past several weeks it has stopped and picked up cargo in a number of ports, including Bandar Abbas, Iran; Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, and Karachi, Pakistan.

311 posted on 09/12/2002 11:54:00 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: r9etb
Short of there being a standard search for radioactive stowaways, this doesn't explain how/why they happened to detect the radioactivity in the first place. I'm ignorant here: does customs usually search for radioactivity?

They might now.

New York got a boatload of handheld radiation detectors after 9/11, makes sense that the ports across the river might have picked up a few too.

312 posted on 09/12/2002 11:54:28 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: kinghorse
Oh my, not very friendly countries are they?
313 posted on 09/12/2002 11:54:46 AM PDT by seeker41
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To: Travis McGee
http://hypocrisytoday.com/stowaway.html

Terrorist in a Box Business-class suspect caught in container

BY RICHARD OWEN IN ROME AND DANIEL MCGRORY, The Times (UK), OCTOBER 25 2001

ITALIAN police were investigating last night why a suspected al-Qaeda hijacker would smuggle himself halfway around the world locked inside a shipping container with its own bed and toilet.

The bizarre discovery of an Egyptian carrying a Canadian passport was made on the dockside in Gioia Tauro in southern Italy, where detectives believe they may have foiled another hijacking.

They were questioning Rizik Amid Farid, 43, about his choice of travel and why he was carrying airport maps and airside security passes for Canada, Thailand and Egypt.

Unlike most stowaways they find, Mr Farid was smartly dressed, clean-shaven and rested as he stepped from his makeshift home.

He was, his captors said, "stunned" to be found with a laptop computer, two mobile phones, cameras, a Canadian passport, other identity documents and a certificate saying he is an aircraft mechanic.

Mr Farid was found last week but it was only yesterday that police admitted their curious discovery.

Roberto Di Palma, a prosecutor, said: "He was in possession of documents and apparatus that no ordinary illegal immigrant would have been able to afford. The average illegal immigrant does not have high-tech equipment and airport security passes. The FBI has been alerted to the discovery of Mr Farid.

Like the 19 hijackers that al-Qaeda used on September 11, Mr Farid’s name is not on Interpol’s wanted list.

The successful capture of this suspected hijacker is timely for the Italians after the admission that they had allowed nine Islamic militants to abscond from bail after a legal bungle.

Police said Mr Farid was finding it difficult to explain why he was carrying a return airline ticket from Montreal to Egypt, via Rome. Investigators said that could be an "insurance policy" enabling him to reach Canada by air in case he was discovered on the ship but managed to escape.

The priority now, police said, was to authenticate his identity and discover why he was heading for Canada. Had he not been found during a security check, Mr Farid would have faced another three weeks at sea to reach Toronto.

Mr Farid was discovered during a "technical inspection" of a ship from Port Said that had docked at the container port of Gioia Tauro.

The container in which Mr Farid had been hidden was "very tidy and well appointed", investigators said. It was furnished with supplies for a long journey and had a bucket which he used as a toilet.

Magistrates said they were considering a charge of "links with international terrorism", a new offence introduced last week as part of an emergency anti-terrorism package passed by Parliament after the attacks of September 11.

Il Messaggero, the Rome daily, said it was a "reasonable inference" that his intention had been to gain admittance to an airport in Canada and perhaps commandeer an aircraft with the help of accomplices and fly it over the border to the United States.

Michele Filippo Italiano, Mr Farid’s lawyer, denied that. He said Mr Farid lived in Montreal and had Canadian citizenship. "He had fallen out with his brother-in-law in Cairo and feared he would be prevented from leaving Egypt," he said.

314 posted on 09/12/2002 11:54:51 AM PDT by crypt2k
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To: Travis McGee
Ok Travis, you can stop imagining now, I'm going to have to search for Valium as it is...I drive by Newark Harbor every day.
315 posted on 09/12/2002 11:56:05 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Jim Noble
Remember the flak a few months ago about Islamakazis buying or renting nonrebreathers for deep diving?

I do indeed. And I believe that was at the Jersey Shore, wasn't it? Good memory. What do you make of it?

316 posted on 09/12/2002 11:57:51 AM PDT by twigs
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To: crypt2k
Gioia Tauro was one of this ship's recent ports of call.
317 posted on 09/12/2002 11:58:04 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Lazamataz
You know, I felt sorry about 9/11 until I realized the New York Times operates out of Manhattan. And you a**holes can PRINT THAT!!"

Laz Laz Laz, you really should do something about your anger...LOL.

318 posted on 09/12/2002 11:58:25 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
You may want to find an alternate route.
319 posted on 09/12/2002 11:58:41 AM PDT by The Vast Right Wing
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To: crypt2k
You bet, that too. That's why I find it extremely disturbing when I think of the thousands trucks and vehicles coming northbound from the southern border, and the northern border too. Very disturbing....
320 posted on 09/12/2002 11:58:44 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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