Posted on 09/04/2002 12:13:10 PM PDT by RCW2001
It looks like these "experts" need to be exposed in the media. Have you sent an email to Bill O'Reilly lately? This looks like the kind of expose he likes to sink his teeth into.
"Aided by a grant from the U.S. Army, during the 1980s Curtis Thorne, a UMass microbiologist, researched the genetic structure of a non-virulent strain of the anthrax bacillus. The non-classified research was aimed at developing a better vaccine, the researcher and Army spokesmen said. "
"After two years of protests by area peace activists (*Rosenberg's friend Nass and her student associates back in the mid-90s) arguing that the Army actually wanted to develop anthrax weapons, the researcher decided not to renew the grant. Thorne retired in the early 1994, and no anthrax research is now being performed at the Amherst campus, said Barbara Pitoniak of the UMass news office."
"No anthrax vaccine has been produced in the United States in more than two years..."
So, when was that Physicians for a Responsible Society trip to Iraq again?
There is no question in my mind that Nass is totally whacked. Her thinking is so convoluted that she can no longer recognize right from wrong--which makes her perfectly capable of framing Hatfill. She also sees the US as an enemy to her great utopian one-world government. That's clear from these excerpts from your link in #36:
It is a necessity that we evolve beyond the system of war. Everyone including every plant and animal is under the threat of impending peril until this neu global consciousness liberates the court system from national laws that are designed to protect the rich and destroy the poor. These laws enable the plutocray to condition, brainwashing the labor force to be content with being wage slaves by fragmenting their minds, bodies and souls in work that creates no positive future for the human race...After reading the article, I realized that all of us are still faced with imminent harm as the preparation for war continues to threaten our species with extinction--continues to deplete our resources needed to shelter, feed, heal, and educate people to the necessity of creating an ecologically sustainable society of peace. Until we have a massive conversion towards the evolutionary understanding that we are one planet and must live in harmony with nature, until this holistic religious experience penetrates the hearts of all, we are faced with inevitable ruin, not only to us the living, but to the yet unborn...
It's also clear from her article that she sees Ramsey Clark as a hero. I'm betting she's working with him--which means he could well figure in this.
As for the anthrax vaccine, there seems to have been some real problems there unless the stories of them being cited by the Board of Health for lack of sterility were false. I don't remember any denials by the Board of Health, though. However, the company was sold IIRC; so that problem may have been fixed.
Also, isn't the manufacturer in Michigan? I wonder if there are/were any Islamists on their Board of Health?
I agree with you that it would certainly be in our enemies' best interest to prevent the troops (and the population) from being vaccinated. So you may be right that Hussein or Russia was behind a campaign to discredit it. I mention Russia because I think they offered to sell us some meds or vaccine (though maybe it was small pox vaccine I'm remembering).
The people leading the charge against US biowarfare researchers began as early as 97 to go after the Amherst researcher. they are tied to Cuba as you can see, and the nutjob doctor from Maine went to Cuba and Zimbabwe, and as we know, both countries are ruled by folks just like Hussein. While in Cuba she claims to have been involved in helping cuba with solving an outbreak of eye disease which the Cubans claim was US bioterrorism. And during the 1990s she had been leading the way, with her fellow travelers, on the smearing the anthrax vaccine, to the point that research, at least federal research, was stopped on vaccine development. Our stockpiles of important medicines were virtually nil by 9/11. Being a green party activist, it was not a jump for her to paste both sides in politics, which made her popular among people right and left who were not fond of Bush or Clinton. Her group was in on trying to stop with the US from gearing up the production of tritium, too.
I find it convenient that a person with ties to Cuba and Zimbabwe, a person who belongs to some radical antiwar green groups which have a long history of support of Iraq, is also the person fingering Hatfill and other US researchers- precisely the people we will need most if an outbreak of disease occurs. We already have a very high ranking defector from Cuba who has said the Havana research facility was involved in anthrax; we have high ranking defectors from Iraq whose stories about WMD are at least partially confirmed by US inspectors. Carter even did a recent photo op in front of the heavily guarded 'animal feed' factory in Havana I believe, but was not allowed inside- which would have been a quick way to lay fears to rest about the site. Curious that Castro didn't let Carter in to clear that up.
We had the 'Afghans' nabbed in the Cayman Islands a year before 9/11 while trying to deposit a lot of cash in a bank there, some 2 million, if I recall correctly. They said they had gotten ashore by swimming from a Turkish freighter, but it turned out they had come off of a plane from Cuba. A curious warning letter about them had been delivered to a radio station before 9/11 which indicated that an attack on airliners was imminent. The author later claimed it had been a premonition.
And then we have the spy Montes and the WASP network. Montes had been working for Cuba since the eighties; she was arrested shortly after 9/11 after contacting her bosses in Havana. We had the Cuban spy working in the INS in Miami, with the ability to let people come and go without record. We have Atta and the boys down here in Florida all that time. We had the nasty election with all of the fuss right down there in Miami, and the ghost company of telemarketers which was purchased, along with all of its records, by a company from India. One wonders if it was in Kashmir...
The WASP network was trying to get information on McDill, primarily. We all know how important McDill is now. And it was equally important all through the 90s in dealing with sanctions on Iraq and in dealing with terrorism.
And thanks to her self-taught 'research experience with anthrax,' she became the authority of choice on anthrax vaccines with access to all sorts of material, documents and very importantly, personnel? Wouldn't it be more intelligent to look for a REAL expert in the field to investigate this, instead of inviting a person with ties to the Cuban Ministry of Health to do so?
Ah, but this was the Clinton administration, and Janet Reno was in charge of the Justice Department, and Janet Reno has always been in Castro's lap.
MAY 7, 1999 : (AFGHANISTAN, AL-QEADA, BIOTERROR, COMPUTERS, 'CURDLED MILK' PROJECT) computer file later to be recovered in 2001 indicates on this day that al-Qaida leaders had earmarked $2,000 to $4,000 for “start-up” costs of the terrorist group's biological- and chemical-warfare research, which was called "curdled milk."
Shortly after the NY air traffic control incident, al Qaeda was starting to warm up to the first tasks...
MAY 23, 1999 : (AFGHANISTAN, AL-QEADA, BIOTERROR, COMPUTERS, ZAWAHRI, KHABAB, CURDLED MILK PROJECT) A letter dated May 23 and written under one of Zawahri’s aliases is written (on the computer in Kabul recovered by a Wall Street Journal reporter later in 2001) and the author reports discussing some “very useful ideas” during a visit to Abu Khabab, the alias of an elderly Egyptian scientist. “It just needs some experiments to develop its practical use.” This was in reference to the al-Qeada "curdled milk" biological- and chemical- warfare program. "Particularly encouraging, " the letter in the computer files said, was a home-brew nerve gas made from insecticides and a chemical additive that would help speed up penetration into the skin. The writer said Khabab had supplied a computer disk that gave details of “his product” in a WinZip file, and “my neighbor opened it by God’s will.” U.S. officials, citing satellite photos and intelligence gathered from local residents, say Abu Khabab experimented with nerve gas on dogs and rabbits at a camp near the eastern Afghan city of Jalalabad. The camp, one of several in the area hit by U.S. bombs after Sept. 11, was known as Abu Khabab in honor of the scientist.
MAY 26, 1999 : (AFGHANISTAN, AL-QEADA, BIOTERROR, COMPUTERS, ZABADI) In a letter stored in the Kabul computer later discovered in 2001, under the same alias as earlier correspondence, the author says he was “very enthusiastic” about the Zabadi project and was especially pleased with Abu Khabab’s “significant progress.”
JUNE 1999 : (AFGHANISTAN, AL-QEADA, BIOTERROR, COMPUTERS, ATEF) date on a memo to be found on the Kabul computer hard drive to be discovered in 2001 and addressed to “Abu Hafs” — Atef’s alias — gave instructions for building a laboratory, ordering that walls be covered with oil paint and floors with tiles or cement “to facilitate cleaning with insecticides.” But, noted the memo, “construction should not start until electricity is installed.” It also called for evasive action to avoid detection: “Periodically (for example about every three months) one of the locations is to be canceled and replaced by another.” A progress report complained that the use of nonspecialists had “resulted in a waste of effort and money,” urging the recruitment of experts as the “fastest, safest and cheapest” route. A June 1999 memo said the program should seek cover and talent in educational institutions, which it said were “more beneficial to us and allow easy access to specialists, which will greatly benefit us in the first stage, God willing.”
JUNE 15, 1999 : (N KOREAN VESSELS INVADE S. KOREAN WATERS) At least 17 and as many as 80 N. Korean sailors killed after naval firefight in which one of the North's vessels was sunk and others damaged. Clash followed nine consecutive days of North Korean incursions into South Korean waters.
http://asia.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/06/29/korea.navy.timeline.reut/
I thought back to the definition of worker's alienation in which the assembly line of production made it so that workers had no understanding of exactly what product was resulting from their work.
Clearly this was written by either the dumbest person on the face of the earth, or one who has never worked on an assembly line. The arrogant, condescending nitwit actually things that workers are too stupid to know what they are doing without some light-in-the-loafers leftist who hasn't worked a day in their life around to tell them what is "really" going on.
Unfortunately the article isn't written by Nass, unless the silly pen name is that of Nass. I hope not- the thought of an MD being that stupid is frightening.
I just posted that link because it held some information on that protest group Nass was involved in 'helping.' It also pointed to how Nass supposedly became interested in anthrax. I believe that she was interested in it before that point, but it makes for a cute little legend...
Uh, excuse me for a moment while I wipe the egg off my face :)
I just assumed the author would be Nash and didn't even look.
I went back to the site and it checked it out. It's one of those off-the-wall sites that combines gaia, ecofeminism, mysticism, and nuclear protest. In fact, they seem to have made a religion of sorts out of the nuclear protest...
At it's core it appears to be communist with a lot of word play and psycho-babble. It's main purpose seems to be to shut down any nuclear facilities (and no doubt research) and it rails against the industrial/military complex that is destroying the family--blah, blah,blah...
You are good at seeing the big picture, piasa. I've read most of those stories in your #48, but hadn't really put them all together. Now I understand why we chose Gitmo. And it sheds a little more light on why Bush didn't push as hard as I expected when the PRC hijacked our EP3.
From what I can see, what we really have here is the whole communist block plus the Islamofascists plus our homegrown commies and Islamofascists now networking to crush us. I'm reminded of all those trips Zemin made through South America and Cuba...
BTW,, I'm wondering if the Abu Khabab research hasn't been moved to the Kurdish area of Iraq.
They just mentioned Hatfill being fired again on Fox. Even if Nass, Rosenberg, and others unknown can't successfully frame him, they've sure taken him out of the ballgame for a while...
Oops, I forgot about that tour. Wasn't Bill Clinton in the Dominican Republic about that time?
Thursday, 19th April 2001 : Bill and Hillary Clinton visited the Centro Educativo Punta Cana. The Clintons are here on a rest and relaxation trip and have allowed scant access to their activities (left Bill Clinton with Carlos Morales).
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