TITLE IX---Minority athletes lose in quest for 'equity'

Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 8/26/02 | BOBBY DOUGLAS

[Godel]

I love how its only a problem if it disadvantages minority men. If it was just affected white men, well that would be just peachy. Screw Em. It's their fault for being born white and male.

[Maximum Leader]

Funny you mention golf.

When I was in grad school, I dated a girl who was on a golf scholarship. And she was a horrible golfer! Could barely get the ball in the air. She was given a scholarship because the school had a quota to fill.

I think if a female high school student is halfway decent at some sport or another, she can get a scholarship somewhere.

And if I have daughters, I can teach them golf instead of saving for college. :o)

[DmBarch]

Most participants have limited rowing experience prior to college, simply because there are not many programs at the HS level. I suspect that this is why it is one of the most often added "parity" sports for women: All they need to do is find reasonably athletic, coordinated girls with good upper-body strength, and they've got a team.

Not for much longer. Our nearby school, Michigan State, has finished top ten the last two years with mostly gals like that, including a black woman from Detroit. The scene is starting to change, as the members of foreign junior programs see a full college ride available in the US.

This is already the situation in tennis, where about 40% of the women Big Ten players are foreign. In the higher ranked SEC, it is more like 60%. Meanwhile, track programs are being lost.

[LouD]

I've heard the same thing - I'm planning on teaching my girls to row for that reason.

But you are correct, it's not fair to boys - And a lot of boys have had the rugs pulled out from under them after training in a sport for years, like baseball or wrestling, only to find that it's be cancelled.

As I understand it, and as someone already posted, the problem is football, even though the football program in most schools makes money.

[Nonstatist]

My guess is that he's just using that angle to argue against a law that affects his livelihood. What percentage of his boys graduate? Does he care? If Title IX results in more education in college and less semi-pro sports, that's good. The primary mission of a university or college should be research and teaching, not voc-ed for the NBA and NFL.

You're missing the point , to say the least. Douglas coaches in a sport that is 95 % white (in this country). The reason he proffers this particular argument is that just arguing that "white" people are hurt by these quotas is insufficiently persuasive in influencing those "other" people (ie compassionate leftists, etc). But hes showing clearly that if you put in place broad quotas, you end up screwing the type of person it really is suppose to help.

Listen, Ive been following this controversy for 10 years, while Wrestling and other sports have been near decimated (cut by more than half, even though they are the cheapest sports to have). Any and all arguments at this point are valid. The hypocrisy and greed of the other side is unbelievable and needs to be stated over and over again.

[Nonstatist]

As I understand it, and as someone already posted, the problem is football, even though the football program in most schools makes money.

The problem is NOT (just)football. If it was , then why are all these NCAA Division III wrestling, track, baseball and gymnastic teams being cut? They dont have any scolarships for Division III sports!

The problem is the safe harbor rule associated with Title IX enforcement (codified in 1996). 60% plus of the athletes in High School are boys, but its suppose to be less than half in College due to this quota law. You know, the feminists even argue that enforcement should be stepped up, until theres total numerical proportionality. Since only 45 % of college students are male( and dropping fast)... you do the numbers.

[Nonstatist]

I love how its only a problem if it disadvantages minority men

No, you can only get "their" attention if you mention minorities. Such is the way in a culture taken over by leftists.. Whatever gets their attention is ok with me.

[staytrue]

The problem is NOT (just)football. If it was , then why are all these NCAA Division III wrestling, track, baseball and gymnastic teams being cut? They dont have any scolarships for Division III sports!

Yes it is about football. Football is a a very expensive sport with or without scholarships. Basically, they divided the pot between boys and girls and football eats most of the men's budget. Title 9 was solely designed by femminists who hate watching football and figured this was the way to kill it. Football is a man's sport. It is a sport that no woman could ever play successfully ( except maybe as a kicker). Even more than that, feminists hate football because we like it.

[Red Jones]

I've read that 57% of all college students are female. Some parts of the university are overwhelmingly female. Look at the people who major in English, in Music, in Art. They are overwhelmingly female. The university's resources are being used disproportionately for females. By Title 9 logic this would have to change by means of arbitrarilly eliminating the female dominated parts of the university.

Arizona State University had the best gymnastics team in the world during much of the 1980's. They were feeding people to the US Olympic team and these people were winning gold medals. ASU by itself could defeat the best teams of other countries. But you see females don't do gymnastics at the college level. They are past their prime by the time they get to college. So, the men's program was eliminated for the sake of fairness.

Republicans and democrats alike are slime, because they bring us this type of government. Throw them all out on their backsides.

[Nonstatist]

By Title 9 logic this would have to change by means of arbitrarilly eliminating the female dominated parts of the university.

Actually, the logic is (see if you can follow this) that men and women are on an equal footing when it comes to admissions into college so any imbalance is due to merit only, with no bias, but women are (were) systematically discriminated against when it comes to sports scholarships and sports programs.

Of course this is utterly disengenuous and arbitrary and not current, but try reading Time, Newsweak and the others and getting the objective truth. Aint gonna happen.

[Red Jones]

Aint gonna happen.

You got that right. It is so sad how very much our country has changed for the worse since I was a child in mid-1960's. Too many of us are so mean-spirited. People are absolutely unwilling to think any thoughts that are not approved by the pc elite. Information that comes to people from outside the mainstream media is considered automatically suspect information. People are unable to think.

[dfwgator]

Nixon shouldn't have been impeached for Watergate, he should have been impeached for signing this monstrousity.

[eddie willers]

And if I have daughters, I can teach them golf instead of saving for college. :o)

Name her "Tigress" and give her an extra leg up. : )

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[Red Jones]

liberalism means civilizational suicide.

Also, I may be wrong, but I think Bobby Douglas, the author, is a black fellow. So sad to me that he has a stronger argument in his article to say that title 9 hurts minority men, rather than just say that title 9 hurts american men. Everyone is to be pigeon-holed, categorized and judged by their race, their gender, and most important, whether they adhere to politically correct attitudes. This is the equality that liberals bring us.

[Nonstatist]

So sad to me that he has a stronger argument in his article to say that title 9 hurts minority men, rather than just say that title 9 hurts american men.

Sad but true. Fact is, nobody cares on that side when you make the conventional argument. Ostensibly, white men have been "sticking it" to womenfolk all these years, and now they get their come-uppance.

I've argued endlessly with people at FR (!) who suggest wrestling is a dying sport and fair's fair and Title IX isnt quotas and so on. Even though recruiters have actually given out full womens scholarships at freshman orientation(!) at Kansas State to non-athletes for crew (!), and even though some scholarships at U of Md for women's lacrosse have gone unawarded, and even though hundreds of excellent male scholar athletes in small sports have had trouble even finding a small school that carries their sport and so on. There are thousands of high schoolers who wrestle in Florida yet there isnt one state college in Fla. that offers wrestling!! And wrestling at the high school level is growing, believe it or not.

To me, its analogous to living in the Soviet Union and having only Pravda to read . Where's the truth?!