TITLE IX---Minority athletes lose in quest for 'equity'

Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 8/26/02 | BOBBY DOUGLAS

[Nonstatist]

Title IX as it is currently applied is a quota dagger directed at ALL men, minorities included. Ironic, isnt it, how indiscriminate quotas favoring one special group can punish even "the disadvantaged" who have actually earned their position through merit?! If this quota law isnt perverted, I dont know what would be.

[dead]

What I enjoy seeing is bean-counters like this author whining when some other activist's bean-counting strategies negatively affect his particular brand of bean.

[Nitro]

I work security at Madison Square Garden and I have seen several WNBA games...!

While the girls? are trying, I don't think it matters. They just play really terrible ball...

I would call it below the rim!!

[Torie]

Yep, this is PC run amok. This "moderate" wants no part of it.

[Constitution Day]

What I enjoy seeing is bean-counters like this author whining when some other activist's bean-counting strategies negatively affect his particular brand of bean.

Well said, sir.

[JennysCool]

What I enjoy seeing is bean-counters like this author whining when some other activist's bean-counting strategies negatively affect his particular brand of bean.

Ding! Ding! Quote of the day nominee!

[staytrue]

It's all about football. Basically, if you give 85 scholarships to men's football, you have to give 85 scholarships to ladies (fill in the blank) sports or cut 85 scholarships to men's sports. This is stupid since football is almost always a profit center. The gross revenues of football money goes into a money pool then is doled out "equally" for men and women. What should happen is that the net revenue (not gross) from football should be put into a money pool that is doled out equally. Currently, when the gross is split up, 80 % of the men's money goes to football which leaves little or nothing for all the other men's sports.

[staytrue]

It's all about football. Basically, if you give 85 scholarships to men's football, you have to give 85 scholarships to ladies (fill in the blank) sports or cut 85 scholarships to men's sports. This is stupid since football is almost always a profit center. The gross revenues of football money goes into a money pool then is doled out "equally" for men and women. What should happen is that the net revenue (not gross) from football should be put into a money pool that is doled out equally. Currently, when the gross is split up, 80 % of the men's money goes to football which leaves little or nothing for all the other men's sports.

[Nonstatist]

Basically, if you give 85 scholarships to men's football, you have to give 85 scholarships to ladies

But most of the sports programs cut are small school Division III, which don't offer scholarships. Does that make sense? Its because of the safe harbor proportionality rule that apportions monies based on overall attendance in the college.

Did you know over 3 million boys play high school football every year? Thats more than any other sport by far. And that 60 % of the HS athletes are boys? Then why MUST less than 50% of college athletes be boys?

[Nonstatist]

What I enjoy seeing is bean-counters like this author whining when some other activist's bean-counting strategies negatively affect his particular brand of bean.

Bobby Douglas is not a "bean counter". He was and is a great coach, who got his position on merit alone

Fact is, what he says is richly ironic. Fat cat upper middle class (mostly)white women (you know, the ones that do "crew", et al) got themselves a quota which is screwing every male athlete out there , including poor inner city kids who happen to be good at sports and not as good at everything else.

I take it you're not a big "poor kid sports scholarship" fan? Well, maybe thats another discussion altogether. But not all "black folk" are "bean counters", if I get your drift.

[Conservateacher]

title ix has been great up to high school level. Beyond that it assumes that the same percentages of the genders WANT to participate. Girls don't and never will. BIOLOGY. Why aren't our social engineers asking why male college enrollment has dropped to 40%. If society is 48-49% male shouldn't men have that same percentage of spots at our public funded universities.
Men (and women with sons) need to get Active" on this title nine BS. Rowing!!!!!!! The most common added sport. Who the hell rows????

[Nonstatist]

title ix has been great up to high school level

You make good points; I can see you "get" it.

But remember, in High School, at the moment at least, schools provide equal opportunity to women to play sports but dont require their rosters or funding to be exactly the same..But wait, that might happen some day too, just wait and see.

[dead]

Bobby Douglas is not a "bean counter".

Did you read the same article I did?!?

Can you explain to me how the following quotes are not the quotes of a “bean-counter”?

If I get the chance, I would like to speak up for minority athletes, who are affected in a particularly insidious way by the proportionality quota...
Among collegiate baseball players, for example, approximately one in 10 is a minority. In soccer it's one in eight and in track it's one in four…
a sport mostly unheard of in the inner-city neighborhoods…
It saddens me enormously that the chances are ever-decreasing that a determined African-American or Latino boy from the projects will be able to use a sport such as wrestling to elevate himself…

But not all "black folk" are "bean counters", if I get your drift.

Nice try Jesse, but you do not “get my drift”

People, like the author of this article, who measure success of a social program by skin color, are "bean-counters" by definition.

And your baseless and pathetic insinuation that I am a racist based on that statement is typical of vapid, weak-minded, liberals who can’t argue a statement on its merits.

Grow up.

[LouD]

Rowing!!!!!!! The most common added sport. Who the hell rows????

Crew is a huge sport at colleges in the Northeast, especially. Go watch the Head of the Charles Regatta, or sit on the banks of the Schuykill on any warm afternoon.

Most participants have limited rowing experience prior to college, simply because there are not many programs at the HS level. I suspect that this is why it is one of the most often added "parity" sports for women: All they need to do is find reasonably athletic, coordinated girls with good upper-body strength, and they've got a team.

There's nothing wrong with crew, just like there's nothing wrong with fencing, wrestling, track and field, or any of the sports that are getting killed off by Title IX. The problem is government interference in college athletics to promote this silly-*ssed social agenda.

[Conservateacher]

A golf team in my area had 12 boys on it's team. The girls team had three. They were forced to have the same funding. This is the way it is interpreted here in good old socialist Washington.

[Nonstatist]

People, like the author of this article, who measure success of a social program by skin color, are "bean-counters" by definition.

And your baseless and pathetic insinuation that I am a racist based on that statement is typical of vapid, weak-minded, liberals who can’t argue a statement on its merits

Lighten up, deadhead. From my view point, he merely points out that "minority" males dominate participation in many sports and are adversely effected by these quotas.

If I was to point out that MEN were being screwed by this system and made up 49 % of the population, does that make me a bean counter? How can he make a point without using numbers? How can a program purport to be equalizing if the numbers show that it doesent work? That it actually discriminates?

I happen to know this guy and hes not a "racialist". He coaches and recruits the best, and couldn't care less what color the person is. And his sport is being decimated by greedy female "bean counters".

Oh, and maybe you should grow up, eh?

[dead]

You insanely stated that the man who said “baseball players, for example, approximately one in 10 is a minority. In soccer it's one in eight and in track it's one in four” was not a “bean-counter” and you implied that I was a racist for calling him one.

It is not I that needs to lighten up.

My assertion, based on the author’s statements, is inarguable.

Your implication was absurd. Maybe you're just tired. Go to bed.

[Conservateacher]

I watched a title ix debate on tv where a crew coach in the midwest said he went to the school cafeteria and watched the "large" women eat. Those who ate heartily were offered the chance to go to his weight room where if they could row for ten minutes they could get a scolarship. My son had the second highest all-time batting average in a fairly large city. Not a bad catcher either. He got virtually no offers because there simply aren't any baseball teams any more. Rowing might be a "good" sport but if girls who have never seen an oar can get a scolarship......?

[Conservateacher]

scholarship!~!!!!!

[maro]

Does the coach really care about the racial implications? My guess is that he's just using that angle to argue against a law that affects his livelihood. What percentage of his boys graduate? Does he care? If Title IX results in more education in college and less semi-pro sports, that's good. The primary mission of a university or college should be research and teaching, not voc-ed for the NBA and NFL.