Posted on 08/28/2002 3:29:12 PM PDT by patriciaruth
Take back the Senate!!!
Work and pray, and it will turn out for the best.
But remember what they say about worthy things are worth fighting for.
Lots of time left for Democrat counterpunching but Forrester is evidentally ahead of Torricelli in New Jersey at this point.
Bush should keep his butt out of what is, to the people of North Carolina, a matter of our representation. At least until the primary is over.
Any Republican is better...
This is the very shallowness I referred to in my earlier post.
So you're saying that Liddy has been "picked to win" already by the GOP bigwigs, before a single vote has been cast? Maybe you should explain to us why we should even bother to have primaries, if we're brazenly back to the bad ol' days of the "smoke filled rooms".
Maybe you should also explain why you think Dole is best qualified to represent the people of North Carolina, when you're not even in this state.
Translation: she has no spine to call her own.
Someone posted Snyder's website, and he has had equal time.
I admit, I want to win the Senate, and I think Elizabeth has a better chance of winning North Carolina that Snyder. Plus I like her, and I don't know Snyder. North Carolina can choose whomever they want, but I put up her website for post primary donations because I believe that North Carolinians are going to choose Elizabeth.
Although Sununu is currently leading Smith in New Hampshire, I haven't put a website there as I'm not as sure about whom the people in New Hampshire are going to choose.
If Snyder wins the primary, I'll make a donation to his campaign.
You'd be surprised. I've been waiting for three months to see a Dole sign anywheer around here. With two weeks left before the primary, I still haven't seen any. Meanwhile, Snyder signs are everywhere. Snyder is pulling out all the stops on radio ads too... and I wouldn't doubt some tv spots are coming soon, too. But Dole? Not even in Greensboro or Burlington have I found any support signs.
The extended legal wrangling over districts may well play against Dole's favor: there's more than enough rancor against her getting shoved in our face by outsiders to merit a backlash against her. And my bet is, that passion will overcome blind partisanship come September.
Both the "indep media" (=RAT) polls you mention are in fact very positive for R candidates. Mr Hutchinson performed well in a debate and polls show conserv/Christian voters will NOT stay home because he is a divorcee. The poll in SD is ridiculous in saying 20% of the voters are unsure, in fact it is in effect programmed to produce a tie.
In GA, which I gave to R in an eyelash, ANY kind of McKinney candidacy or write-in gives Chambliss the seat; and the latter is only now beginning to become known.
In Iowa, a poll of younger voters indicates Harkin slipping, becoming old hat, one more visit to this state by Bush and we have it.
Challengers, even ones destined to win, always take till late in the campaign to catch up to the incumbents, even those destined to lose, just because of mere name recognition.
If these polls asked, "which party do you want your new Senator to be from," it would skew the ultimate result less, than these polls that ask "If the election were held today, would you vote for Sen. Bigstaff Forever, or Joey Jones?"...do in fact skew it. Whoever heard of Joey Jones? This is programmed to get a RAT result. If you ask, "Do you think Sen. Bigstaff deserves re-election, or do you think we should let someone else have a chance?" --once again, also skewed perhaps, but not as badly.
I understand what you're saying but understand from OUR point of view. Elizabeth Dole epitomizes everything that is wrong with this state. Someone coming into our state who hasn't lived here and doesn't know what the conservative side of the house should look like in NC. Her idea of conservatism might be conservative in NY, California, heck even some of the Midwest states. But it's not what many would call conservative down here.
Am I sectionalizing this? You bet I am. I have been flamed for this before and will get flamed for it again and again. But it's true. Your idea of conservative to many in my state would be considered moderate at best. Conservative and liberal don't necessarily break down to Democrat and Republican. I know many Democrats that are close personal friends, and some even family, that are generally more conservative than I am. And they won't vote for Bowles. They probably would vote for Jim Parker except for the R in beside his name. But they do cross from time to time and we saw some of that as far back as Reagan. There are some areas in this state that if you are not a Democrat, you don't run for office. And they're not liberal areas either. They are you might say areas that hold a long grudge.
And what has happened over the past 20-30 years is that liberals realized this and capitalized on it. We have a lot of straight ticket voters in this state. On one side you have the Democrats who would vote for a Democrat because that's just what you're supposed to do. They think Democrat because that's what their father's father's father was and the Democrats are the Southern party. Along with the backing by the teachers' association that pretty much describes how Jim Hunt got into office four times. Not that anybody actually agreed with him, it's just you vote Democrat. Then over the past 20 years, you've got a HUGE influx of population. A bunch of yuppie yankees (no offense). They don't necessarily agree with the liberal Democrats but their ideas of conservative are more fiscal than social. Save me money but don't tell me the difference between right and wrong. And the RNC sees this so they give us someone like Liddy. So we have a quandry.
Guys I don't know if this is how you see it, but from my perspective of living in the Piedmont, the mountains, and the sandhills over the years, it's my opinion
All the dyed in the wool conservatives here did the same thing in our Republican primary. No outsiders going to give us a RINO for our Republican gubernatorial nominee. A pure conservative is the only thing they'll vote.
Fine, now we have a pure conservative that Republicans don't even know for sure is honest after Davis chewed him to pieces. So, we say goodbye to the governor's chair to a man who most voters don't want in a bet, but they want a crook even less.
So Bowles is going to be your new Senator? I feel as sorry for you as I am for us stuck with Davis for another four years.
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