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Massillon officer, suspect killed in chase, shootout
The Canton Repository (OHIO) ^ | Saturday, August 10, 2002 | LORI MONSEWICZ and ROBERT WANG Repository staff writers

Posted on 08/10/2002 6:07:37 AM PDT by ResistorSister

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To: sinkspur
This one sentence blows your credibility to hell. I was in Ohio two weeks ago, driving ten miles over the speed limit, and was PASSED by Ohio state troopers.

This once sentence blows YOUR credibility to hell. If the patrol cars passed you by, it's obviously because they were on other business besides traffic control. I know literally dozens of people in town that have been nailed by the OHP for their infamous speed traps.

101 posted on 08/10/2002 1:45:31 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Cultural Jihad
Read the deleted post #55

Ummmm......How?? When I had the foresight to save the thread it was at about post #27.

Perhaps I read a response referencing the original that contained the word "not". If so then I am wrong.


Stay safe; stay armed.


102 posted on 08/10/2002 1:46:25 PM PDT by Eaker
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To: Timesink
I know literally dozens of people in town that have been nailed by the OHP for their infamous speed traps.

One mph over the speed limit would NOT stand up in court.

If you want to hyperbolize, you might want to make your numbers a little more believeable.

103 posted on 08/10/2002 1:48:08 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: FITZ
Obviously. And there are posts made by people that seem sometimes to advocate violence that are probably just them letting off steam that could be read by some who are closer to being off the edge as advocating that. I'm sure this could have been handled differently by either side and there could have been a better outcome. Adrenaline gets flowing though on both sides, too bad a cooling-off time couldn't have been given this man by the police.

I am pretty sure I understand your thoughts. However there is a time when any person needs to understand who has the upper hand at that time. The article says the guy got out of his car firing the gun.

Lt. Gary Lewis of the Highway Patrol said the man got out of his car with a high-powered semiautomatic weapon, and that he fired first at officers.

There is no way in this world that I can justify this.

104 posted on 08/10/2002 1:48:10 PM PDT by billva
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To: tpaine
And now, because the thread was pulled, we will never know which version is true, will we? -- Personally, having vast experience with your 'visions', I think most here will see it the Timesink way.

I hope that's a compliment!

105 posted on 08/10/2002 1:48:12 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Dan from Michigan
THE ONLY time shooting a cop is right is in self-defense. This was not self-defense. This was murder.

Amen, Dan. Amen.

106 posted on 08/10/2002 1:48:45 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Timesink
Am I to beleive that the guy in this artical that shot a cop and was killed was known to post on free republic? How does one find that out?
107 posted on 08/10/2002 1:49:03 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Cultural Jihad
Too bad life ain't just some game, eh?

At least black people aren't afraid to suggest something like that when it comes to someone like Rodney King. Could things have been handled better by the side that should keep it's cool? A better outcome for both?

108 posted on 08/10/2002 1:49:27 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Timesink
The Ohio Highway Patrol is extremely anal about all traffic laws, and will stop you on anything they can get you on, in order to give you an amazingly expensive ticket. Driving 1mph over the speed limit will cost you a hundred bucks.

That's really an issue of concern to the good citizens of Ohio rather than to their busy-body neighbors.

109 posted on 08/10/2002 1:49:59 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Dane
Demi then decided to chime in with some inane Libertarian idealogy about how the right to travel "unmolested" has been in common law for centuries.

Interesting. Usually the inane libertarians are the first ones to insist that our entire transportation infrastructure be privatized. "Toll booths Uber Alles!"

110 posted on 08/10/2002 1:50:12 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Kevin Curry
My "neck of the woods," Prince George's County, Maryland, IIRC has just had it's seventy-something-th murder this year. Along with all the other "serious" crimes, I'd say they do have something better to do.
111 posted on 08/10/2002 1:50:27 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: mamelukesabre
Another poster knew him outside the forum. From what I understand, it was a telephone friendship.
112 posted on 08/10/2002 1:51:13 PM PDT by pubmom
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To: Cultural Jihad
Others were speculating on some conspiracy to murder the driver because he was a nuisance to local governments.

Actually, that's the post I was responding to when the thread got yanked. I was trying to tell whoever posted it that he was getting a bit too paranoid about the whole thing. I don't think about his post really leaned towards the "it was okay to shoot the cop" opinion though, IMHO.

113 posted on 08/10/2002 1:51:37 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
Everytime I've been in ohio (in and near cleveland) everyone is doing 80 mph, including the cops and troopers
114 posted on 08/10/2002 1:51:59 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: FITZ
Probably by the local police, and not by the federal police (who didn't exist at the time).

And they probably would have thought that the guy was a bit daffy, and that society is better off by his thinning of his particular branch of the gene pool. Even if that does suck for his wife and kids.

On the pulled thread, since it was posted by a friend of the suspect, I merely gave my condolences. But this guy sounds like some piece of work, and I doubt that he and I agreed on very much other than that the federal government has extended its reach too far.

115 posted on 08/10/2002 1:52:02 PM PDT by Dales
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To: FITZ
Still we can wonder and ask ourselves how the Founding Fathers would have preferred this to be handled.

Why don't you hire Shirley MacLaine to do a seance and you can ask them. If you give her enough money she will probably give you the answer you are looking for.

Anyway all kidding aside, I highly doubt that the Founding Fathers, if alive today, would condone such a senseless act, JMO.

BTW, you were the first one to bring out the text book Libertarian defense of that the Founding Fathers would condone such an act.

Rule 23 in the Libertarian handbook,

When in trouble in losing an arguement bring up the Founding Fathers. Hey they are dead and can't speak for themselves. We(Libertarians) might as well do the talking.

116 posted on 08/10/2002 1:52:53 PM PDT by Dane
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To: FITZ
At least black people aren't afraid to suggest something like that when it comes to someone like Rodney King. Could things have been handled better by the side that should keep it's cool? A better outcome for both?

There is a really good way to keep it cool. Show your driver's license to the cop. Be polite. If you have an issue with what the cop has determined, you get your day in court, and, from what I have seen in life, if you care enough to show up to contest the ticket, you've got a really good chance to get it thrown out. That is the rule of law. The rule of law is NOT, NOT, NOT served by driving away from a routine traffic stop because you think the states have no right to enforce traffic laws, the 10th Amendment be damned, and then precipitate a gunfight that leaves a cop dead. That is not the rule of law. That is anarchy, in its most perverted form, trying to wrap the Constitution around it shoulders. All that accomplished is that the Constitution get soiled in the attempt.

117 posted on 08/10/2002 1:53:33 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Cultural Jihad
That's really an issue of concern to the good citizens of Ohio rather than to their busy-body neighbors.

Oh, it's so nice to learn, after two years as an active poster here, commenting on the actions of other state governments here - JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES - that I'm only allowed to discuss things that happen in MY state.

JimRob, please start cancelling most Freepers' accounts right now! None of us appear to be worthy!

118 posted on 08/10/2002 1:54:42 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Kevin Curry
Hmmm, doesn't play well with others, I see...
119 posted on 08/10/2002 1:54:55 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: sinkspur
I'm from Ohio and got a ticket for going 50 in a 45 at 12am so there wasn't any traffic. Got another ticket for not coming to a complete stop at a 4way at 12 am (nearly in front of my house). Got a warning for a missing taillight on the passenger side. The HP was coming in the opposite direction on a four lane and made a Uturn. I know lots of people who have been ticketed for little or no reason. The highway patrol is in town more than on the highway. By the way, I worked nights is why I got those tickets at 12am.
120 posted on 08/10/2002 1:54:58 PM PDT by Jaidyn
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