Posted on 08/08/2002 9:00:42 PM PDT by enrg
Sir you warm the halls of my heart there will be no peace until we have made them understand the error of there ways the time for understanding would have better been made before 911 with talk or trade but they decided to attack not us !
A_P
Well said.
I was raised Baptist. I knew all about purely emotional
appeals, and they weren't coming from liberals. ;)
American propaganda, however, is much cleverer. American propaganda, they patiently explained, relies entirely on emotional appeals. It doesn’t depend on a rational theory that can be disproved: it appeals to things no one can object to.
I stopped reading a paragraph or two after this piece of nonsense. Communism fell because nobody "believed the stuff"? Oh, I see now. Then the author goes on to compare state sponsored and developed systematic propaganda machinery to mere advertising, PR, sound bites and various random attempts at influencing public opinion. Either he himself doesn't see the distinction or thinks his readers won't!
If his quotes are authentic, the author's alleged refugee informants did believe the stuff, whether they'll admit it, know it or not. They believed what the Soviet propaganda wanted them to believe, that the truth they were hearing on Radio Free Europe, BBC or wherever, was propaganda too. The Communists long ago stopped hoping that their subjects would believe their BS, they themselves didn't believe it. What they then proceeded to do was attempt to instill in the populace cynicism and fatalism and in a large measure succeeded. This is what I heard many times from the escapees from the worker's paradise: "there is no difference between Pravda and Radio Free Europe!"
Ok. I wasn't aware of that. I've seen many threads where the poster doesn't say anything. I'll remember that.
Look, no one has flamed nor insulted you ; yet, you are upset by the replies.
Correction. Calling me a sleeper is an insult (to me anyway). You didn't understand it, as well as you imagine you did. Again an insult (to my intelligence). You also make an assumption here based on practically nothing (something else i hate), although it does seem that all has been clarified.
If you are having difficulty with civil and polite discourse, you are going to be even MORE upset, should you keep posting here.
No I don't have diffuculty with civil and polite discourse. But I don't consider being called a sleeper polite. Also, you may notice that I only became aggravated AFTER being called a sleeper by metesky and yourself. Should no-one call me names and make assumptions based on nothing, I'll remain a happy little poster.
True. Your right about the possibility bit. But stating it is probable? C'mon.... You should be able to realise the implication of that.
A stated FACT, is NOT an insult.
True. Now point to the post that PROVES i'm a sleeper. You also said "Look, no one has flamed nor insulted you". Metesky did call me a sleeper. So yes someone did insult me. If you're not insulted by such a name, thats fine by me.
You most assuredly appeared to not understand the posted article.
OK. This is getting rediculous. Just tell me one thing. Do you base this on the fact that I did NOT state my position regarding the article? If so, fair enough. Just say it. I wasn't aware of the need to immediately state my position.
You certainly do NOT know the rules for posting.
Well. Point me in the right direction then.
And NO , that is NOT against the rules. :-)
Fine. But personal attacks are against the rules. I consider being called a sleeper a personal attack. Although you didn't quite say it, Metesky did and that's why I became aggravated. BTW, I was a happy little poster up until that accusation.
When I said "Your right about the possibility bit" I wasn't agreeing that it is possible. I am NOT a sleeper. But you are correct that you only agreed to it being a possibility.
You did NOT refute the article, ergo, one could rightly or wrongly assume that you agreed with it; entirely. This is especially true, due to the nature of your statement that this was an interesting article. Being called a " sleeper ", is in no way an insult ! This could denote the fact that you are a shill for this veiw and agenda. I agreed that it was possible ; I saw NOTHING, from you, to refute that assumption. The " proof ", that you are asking for, is to be found in your own posts / lack thereof ! By your words, you are known. Thus far ...NOT a pretty picture.
If you need an example of a personal attack, go read more threads. Some are worse than others. And calling someone a " sleeper ", is so far removed , from a personal attack / insult, as to be laughable.
Ahhhh... Finally!!!! That's all I was looking for. I just wanted to see your reasoning for assuming this. Since I didn't know about this whole refute the article business (BTW, not everyone here does it), I was shocked when people were making assumptions based on something I hadn't said. I'll know for next time. As for finding it interesting, I guess i should have clarified that further.
Being called a " sleeper ", is in no way an insult !
Alright. I felt insulted as I interpeted this to mean I was a liberal greenie trying to infiltrate this site (the term "sleeper cell" kept poping into my head). I hate Liberals/Greenies. I hope you can understand this. And yes I've seen the other insults being thrown around.
As for the amount I've read on FR. I've been lurking for quite some time before I signed up. Many people do not clearly state their position. Thus, I didn't think I had to. Oh well. I see your points. I just wish you said that in the first place.
Where exactly was this guy when WW4 started on 9/11 ??
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