Rumsfeld: Isael can't transfer territory to terrorist entity

The Jerusalem Post ^ | August 6, 2002 | JANINE ZACHARIA

[mlocher]

Yesterday, PA Chairman Yasser Arafat conferred with advisers on Israel's idea of an initial pullback from the Gaza Strip should the PA clamp down on terror.

i thought that the PA was clamping down on terror for months, but was totally ineffective because 'they just won't listen to what i say'

[mlocher]

"My feelings about the so-called occupied territories are that there was a war," Rumsfeld said. "Israel urged neighboring countries not to get involved in it once it started. They all jumped in and they lost a lot of real estate to Israel, because Israel prevailed in the conflict," Rumsfeld said.

gotta love rumsfeld and his no nonsense talk. also gotta believe that these words are a preamble to an upcoming invasion, sorta like telling the other arab states that we are going to get sodom and if you get involved, you too could lose some land.

[onedoug]

"My feelings about the so-called occupied territories are that there was a war," Rumsfeld said. "Israel urged neighboring countries not to get involved in it once it started. They all jumped in and they lost a lot of real estate to Israel, because Israel prevailed in the conflict," Rumsfeld said.

And anyone who thinks there will ever be yet another arab state therein is a fool.

[Thinkin' Gal]

While Bush has pledged to help create a Palestinian state within three years, Rumsfeld only said "there will be some sort of an entity that will be established," which Israel can deal with securely.

Daniel 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Daniel 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

King of Palestine bump.

[prophetic]

gee - now if this was coming from Colon Powell I'd passed out in utter shock!!

[monkeyshine]

The Americans are very interested in the idea of establishing a cease-fire in a local area and then trying to expand it

What does that mean? There is only fire where terrorists are building weapons, launching and planning attacks, and attacking. There will be a cease fire just as soon as they stop all that activity.

[crystalk]

Has anyone but me noticed that today there was an announcement that the old US consulate north of the Old City in East Jerusalem, which has been for decades the de facto American Embassy to Palestine, is to be closed down very soon, and replaced with a consulate located within Israel in West Jerusalem.

Wow, that looks like we are severing diplomatic relations with "Palestine," looks like such an entity is not long for this world.

Then, with a consulate in Israeli Jerusalem and an embassy in Tel Aviv, all we have to do is switch the labels, switch the door plaques, and we are where we need to be.

The Palestinian state, if there ever is one, can be in Africa.

[crystalk]

If there is still any possibility on the agenda three years from now, of a Palestine state in the territory of Eretz Yisroel, ...then the Lord has not spoken by me.

The verses you quote, in the magical way the Bible has of referring to many things at once, still seem to echo the present era even though they refer to machinations of the Syrian, Iraqi, and Turkish caliphs centuries ago. IMO.

Also IMO, we are now already at/past the "time of the end," for the King of the Negeb [Israel/Sharon] has already nudged everyone awake and put the Mideast on the top of everyone's agenda. We are now ready for Bush as Melekh ha-tsafon, to go in and overturn many rulers, and yes, even some of the "land" of one or two of them will not entirely escape [being taken by the USA].

PS It seems to me that in many Mideast languages including Hebrew and Arabic, and even dead languages like Aramaic and Sumerian, the word "Bush" refers to slang terms for the male genitalia, meaning either "penis" or the entire apparatus in general, depending on locale, era, and precise dialect.

[2sheep]

>It seems to me that in many Mideast languages including Hebrew and Arabic, and even dead languages like Aramaic and Sumerian, the word "Bush" refers to slang terms for the male genitalia, meaning either "penis" or the entire apparatus in general, depending on locale, era, and precise dialect.

Gardening note: There is shrub or bush called Barberry which is red and has lots of thorns.  There is a worse version of it with longer thorns called "Devil's Walking Stick."

[DentsRun]

And anyone who thinks there will ever be yet another arab state therein is a fool.

You're probably right. No one builds settlements on land they plan to return to someone else. But I wonder what Israel plans to do with the three million or so Palistinians that live in Gaza and the West Bank. You can't shoot them all. Their population growth rate is double that of Israel. They're all mad as hell. What does one do with three million people?

[185JHP]

Don't have to shoot them all - we didn't have to shoot all the Comanches to stop their bothersome behavior.

[Tickle Me Pank]

"Track record" - that's what Oslo was all about, but Arafat created a track record of violence instead.

[TheLooseThread]

Arafat? Who the hell is that?

[American in Israel]

The official described the "Gaza first" plan as a "pilot project." Under it, Israel would ease restrictions in the Gaza Strip in exchange for a cessation of violence, and then apply the model to other cities.

The idea was received coolly by the PA delegation, which said it would prefer to see troops first pull back from Ramallah, from which Arafat has been running PA affairs.

Man, what a loaded deck this is! First off, Gaza is the seat of Hamas, Ramallah is the seat of Arafat. Secondly Gaza has not been "cleaned out" like Arafats strong point. So Israel is saying, we will do a test case in Gaza where they know darn well Hamas will go bonkers when their cage is opened. Israel has just poked that monkey in the eye with a sharp stick by killing their leader. If Hamas agrees to be quiet, their support base will evaporate, as by honor, they have issued a call for revenge and will be seen as JOO controled if they back down now. If they go bonkers, Gaza is shut down and cleaned out. Heads I win, tails you loose. I like it!

The PA of course dread the Controls loosened on Gaza as Arafat is trapped in Ramallah, they know darn well the Hamas will work overtime undermining Arafat authority. If Gaza terrorism is allowed to flourish, the intifadda will divide itself into two camps against itself, if Gaza is cleaned out, the main flow of military arms will be cut off. Again, heads I win, tails you loose.

So Arafat is faced with a choice, agree to another peace deal offer that will cause his main rivals to grow in strength and put the reigns of the intifadda in their hands, or decline a perfectly reasonable offer, don't kill us and we will go away. If Arafat says yes, He looks the fool when the bombs start up again, if he says no, he is directly refusing to halt violence for peace. Har, har, har! I like it! Ole Squatty has been painted in a corner BIG TIME!

[onedoug]

My view is that with Israel surrounded by Arab states, but for the Mediterranean Sea, there can NEVER be yet another Arab state jutting into Judea and Samaria (i.e. the "West Bank"), which would effectively cut Israel in half but for its narrow coast.

To effect this view, it is my contention that every Arab individual wishing to remain in what I (and many other Zionists) deem Eratz Yisrael, would, 1)have to conclusively demonstrate NO ties to any terrorist movement or organization whatsoever, and, 2)be REQUIRED TO SWEAR a loyalty oath to the Jewish state.

Any Arab - islamist or otherwise - unwilling to abide by these conditions would be subject to deportation to an actual Arab entity where they could then similarly victimize, cajole or terrorize their Arab "brethren" into giving them this...state of theirs, which they supposedly so highly aspire to.

See how far that takes them.

Of course, I realize this is a minority view...even within Israel, for some strange reason. Yet one that I believe should even all the sooner transpire. For given the historical resistance of Islam to democratize, which is now in fact the US policy for dealing with these so-called "palestinians" (which are really no more than various conglomerations of Arabs that Israel must put-up with for predominantly politically incorrect reasons), I just don't see where Israel, as a nation, is ultimately going to have much choice.

I also feel that the majority of Americans who value their own western, Judeo-Christian heritage would also support this.

But if the US government (especially the State Department) shouldn't then like it, or seem willing to cut Israel off from its "aid", then I still say, yes. Israel should go it alone for its ultimate survival, and trust in Adonai for what will then almost certainly have become the "end times".

[Thinkin' Gal]

Gardening note: There is shrub or bush called Barberry which is red and has lots of thorns. There is a worse version of it with longer thorns called "Devil's Walking Stick."

There is an upright shub variety of euonymus (E. alatus, Winged Euonymus), known as the "burning bush", due to its bright crimson fall color. A local nursery had them on sale last week, and their sign by the road read, "Holy Moses! Burning Bush 20% off".

Bush in modern Hebrew (bet vav shin) spells [bosh] 1 shame, disgrace. 2 embarrassment. 3 to be ashamed, in disgrace. [busha] a feminine noun, also means shame, disgrace.

[babylonian]

The Bushbots'll getcha if you don't watch out.

[Thinkin' Gal]

Bushbooted thugs?