Posted on 08/03/2002 10:10:09 AM PDT by Richard Poe
I heartily disagree with your position that paleoconservatism is defined by "race."
To me, it is defined more by religion, or at least by a submission to the Great Western Tradition of political freedom emanating from a natural order ordained by God.
As a hard-core Buchananite, I vehemently dispute this statement
and condemn it as propaganda designed to smear paleocons as racists.
There are many hot-button issues that distinguish paleocons from neocons. Support for the "right-to-life" being one of them.
Furthermore, paleoncons have a stronger "America First" perspective on a variety of issues, including trade and immigration. The paleocon view addresses not only the economic implications, but also the social implications of these issues. But in adressing the social implications, it is in terms of American society vs. foreign, or economic stratification within American society. It is NOT based on racial divisions as many seek to assert.
When the world wants news about Richard Poe, it will definitely beat a path to your website. Otherwise there doesn't seem to be much point.
In any case, judging by other paleo-conservative authors, you're not a true paleo-con until you advocate splitting up the United States into smaller units. When you figure that out, doubtless you'll write a "Why I Am Not a Paleoconservative" or a "Why I Really, Really Am a Paleoconservative" article. Let us know so we can all make a point of not reading it.
I'm what would pass as a "neocon." But this label really doesn't do me justice (although as a neocon, I would be in great company). That's why I refer to myself as a post-conservative.
"Paleo" doesn't do it for me because they refuse to understand where our culture is today (no matter who is at fault for bringing it here) and accept it in order to establish a coherent philosophy on reversing the slide towards Leftism. I also find it woefully inept at politics.
"Neo" is better from a political perspective, but its compromising can be too grating for my taste. But I will credit the neo perspective for having actually moved and expanded the conservative spectrum.
Dear x:
As you have correctly discerned, I am rather new at this paleoconservative business.
Perhaps you could explain something to me. Why do so many people display so much abrasiveness and ill temper on threads relating to Paleoconservatism?
This seems to be something of a pattern.
2) Years of lewrockwell.com and Chronicles Magazine and other paleoconservative or paleolibertarian publications unfurling the old Confederate banner have worn many people's patience to a frazzle. One either accepts that sort of thing and wants more or rejects it and loses interest or rejects it and turns violently against that vein of rebel nostalgia.
There's a contradiction between wanting to get back to the "Old Republic" and wanting to carve up the country. It can be reconciled by people in their own minds, but the contradiction is never wholly resolved.
3) It's similar with talk of the American empire in paleoconservative media. One can be very much against unthinking interventionism and attempts to reconstruct the world, but things look differently after 9/11. We've found out that we are much more a part of modern America than we might have thought a decade ago, and Gore Vidal doesn't look like any sort of a model.
Paleoconservatism looked new and interesting a decade ago. I can't imagine it has much appeal now.
I have--since turning into an extreme reactionary--always thought that this is what I thought; that I am a cultural supremicist. I wonder how long I will hang on to that increasingly tattered notion? Is the slide from cuturalism into racism inevitable as, one by one, all the beautiful icons are smashed in the interest of a bigger box of crayolas for the Ruling Elite to play with? Will I be able to continue to convince myself that it's all just a coincidence that so many of the things I love were, originally, the handiwork of white men? Can I continue to tell myself that the disaster brought about by the (mostly) white men in the Catholic Church has nothing whatsoever to do with the catastrophic collapse in the confidence and vigor of white men in the wake of a century of mass murder and government policy?
Of course these men teach me that racism is a sin.(But so is buttering up altar boys, I think.) And my reason still flees from racial ideology. But for how long, I wonder? And is culturalism the notorious "near occassion of sin" we are warned about?
Or is it merely human?
Maybe being human is the essence of the near occasion of sin.
PULEEZE. Name one reason why a single human being on this planet other than your wife or mother should give a rat's behind WHAT you are, much less what you (probably) are. Self-referencing headlined declarations of one's ideology matter only when one matters. Other than to said wife and mother, you do not.
Rerea the whola article. Poe is not calling Paleos a bunch of racists. On the other hand, race is not the dividing line.
There are many hot-button issues that distinguish paleocons from neocons. Support for the "right-to-life" being one of them.
Go pick up some copies of The Weekly Standard. Neocons are prolife.
Furthermore, paleoncons have a stronger "America First" perspective on a variety of issues, including trade and immigration. The paleocon view addresses not only the economic implications, but also the social implications of these issues. But in adressing the social implications, it is in terms of American society vs. foreign, or economic stratification within American society. It is NOT based on racial divisions as many seek to assert.
I agree here. However, you forgot to mention foreign policy.
I didn't say that Derbyshire was a neocon. I said that National Review Online (NRO) is neocon.
The point is, NRO published Derbyshire's piece -- suggesting that the neocons who (allegedly) run NRO do not consider his sentiments sufficiently radioactive to merit censorship.
Dear Mrs. Thatcher:
If you didn't like my headline, why did you click it?
And if what I wrote is of no importance to you, why did you react so ferociously to it?
Whites intermarrying won't kill off traditional American culture. But being swamped with third world immigrants who don't share our culture will. It would even if they were white (the Germans did a good job of killing off Roman culture).
Do you believe in Luck? I think I do, or at least in a form of Grace that is indistinguishable from Luck. We white people were lucky in this way, belledame: Out of the Gothic holocaust wrought by Alaric and facilitated by the dilapidated pagan elite, there emerged an old, white(ish) man named Augustine of Hippo. Amid the smouldering ruins of the entire world, he and others like him rebuilt the City, this time of sturdier stuff than travertine and mortar.
The Word went north out of Canaan. I don't know why. Was Europe at the time somehow deserving of it? Were the soft, Mediterranean olive people entitled to such a Grace? How about the Germans in the woods, with their faces painted in human blood, slouching toward Ragnarok? How can one not believe in Grace as Luck looking back on these people who became Europe (Great Europe!) only after they were transformed by the Word?
And how can one not feel pity and rage now that, after 2000 years, they stuff logs into their ears to stop out the sound of the Word that made them great?
No doubt we are all going to suffer as the new Goths besiege the City of God (you know, the one that is in our hearts); will it help us to remind ourselves of Christ's suffering? What kind of suffering will it be? Confusion, paranoia, despair---the suffering of the beseiged, I think. The near occasion of sin...the near occasion of sin...the near occasion of Alaric...
Here's Peter Brimelow's take on that subject:
"Peter Brimelow (“a once-respected conservative voice”) on Goldberg of National Review (a once-conservative, now respected, magazine)," Vdare.com, March 1, 2002
While reading Brimelow's piece, don't forget to check out the links to the Steve Sailer and Paul Gottfried articles as well.
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