California: Fraud Judgment stuns Simon

Sac Bee ^ | 8/01/02 | Emily Bazar and Dan Smith

[Gophack]

Please, don't be so melodramatic. Simon wasn't even named in the lawsuit. The guy who sued the company is a convicted drug smuggler.

[gubamyster]

You have a choice between two scam artist.

Although a Republican, believe me, I'm not too high on any politician, Dem or Rep. However I do believe Bill Simon is a good guy, and very honorable. No, I do know him, but I have heard him on many talk shows & have read much about him. I would hardly call him a scam artist. You really need to read more in-depth about this case, than just one headline.

It is interesting how after one dubious charge, a person can be labeled "scam artist."

[NormsRevenge]

It Ain't Over 'Til the Fat Lady Sings !!!

[Gophack]

Are you sure you're not a Democrat plant? Or maybe a Riordan crony who isn't happy that the liberal lost? The election hasn't even started, it's definitely not over.

Davis has spent more than $8 million in television ads this summer, and his unapproval ratings are as high as ever. The last poll -- by KABC -- shows Simon two points up on Davis. ALL polls (except Field, which is almost always wrong) has Simon up ... and the KABC poll was done when all the tax return crap was in the news.

Simon wasn't even named in the suit, and the family company was sued by a convicted drug runner. Hmmmm. Maybe that'll help Davis in San Francisco, but no where else.

Let's see how this plays out before we jump to hasty conclusions, shall we?

[goldstategop]

The Rats are good at drumming a Big Lie in people's heads. If they repeat it often enough, the facts won't matter. It won't matter if Simon wasn't named in the lawsuit. They just have to charge that his personal ethics are suspect even if he has no present involvement with his own firm. That's how the politics of personal destruction works these days.

[Gophack]

Simon wasn't named in the suit. Read the story again.

[blackdog]

Time for the party heads to start supporting the average good Joe/Jane in running for office. This nonsense of party backing of long term corrupt politicians, and corrupt business people solely because they can raise funds and squeeze the fundraiser like it say's Sunkist on it has got to end. Simon is what he is. Reality proves that he steals in the private sector, and davis steals in the public sector. Are they really any different? No..........

[blackdog]

California needs to be embarassed. Their best to offer is about the bottom of the barrel.

[goldstategop]

LMAO. The funny part is one wonders how Simon would steal from the California treasury after GrayDown has finished looting it. No sane man in this state would want the Governor's job, what with the problems we have. So I guess if it takes a man of questionable ethics to prosecute them, when all is said and done I'd rather have Simon's than GrayDown's ethics to live with.

[goldstategop]

Every one is corrupt.... yeah like people didn't notice it before turning on CEOs became all the rage.

[blackdog]

Note to RNC....Endorsing candidates from the telecommunications industry is not a smart act. Anyone who actually tries to understand their phone bill recognizes fraud when they see it.

[evolved_rage]

It Ain't Over 'Til the Fat Lady Sings !!!

In Kalifornia, it ain't over until the fat-lesbian-abortionist sings. But I agree, let's wait and see...and hope...

[goldstategop]

Paul Hindelang, the guy who won the lawsuit, was a drug smuggler. If we had an honest to goodness press, imagine how the real media headlines would have read: "Honest Businessman Stunned By Court Verdict Gone Awry; Drug Smuggler Wins Millions." Note to Simon's campaign: Your firm's accounting partner goofed and failed to catch this guy's unsavory past and now you're left holding the bag. Incidentally, I agree with Simon the verdict was substantially flawed. The judge will either set it aside or it will be overturned on appeal, but quite frankly this just wasn't the kind of news Simon had been expecting. You sometimes meet shady characters in life and sometimes they come back to really hurt you. For the record, after playing the devil's advocate in much of this thread, I have to say Simon's personally not a crook or guilty of anything wrong. His company tried to protect itself from someone no one would want to do business with. In view of the political climate, the jury looked for someone to blame and alas, it didn't turn out to be the guy with the shady past.

[NormsRevenge]

We still have over a month before this election really gets going .. All this stuff is just setting the stage ...

Hell, Im gonna take a cruise to Alaska in late August and get back after the Labor Day Holiday. Got to get rejuvenated and ready for the home stretch and the real campaign and debates.

If I was Simon, I'd be like a duck and let all this crap roll off his back.

[Free the USA]

fyi

[evolved_rage]

The lawsuit against Simon's firm, B-R Investors Inc. and other defendants claimed that Pacific Coin failed because the investors concocted a secret plan to take the company public.

If it was a secret plan, how did it impact the company's finances, and escape the notice of the CEO, resulting in bankruptcy?. Investors are typically not allowed to book expenses or make deals unless they are officers of the corporation. And even then, somebody (CFO, CEO, Controller) looks at the books once in a while.

While formulating their aggressive strategy, the lawsuit stated, the investors misled businessman Paul Edward Hindelang, a founder of Pacific Coin, about their intentions. Instead of telling him about their ambitious plans for a public offering, it said, they promised to follow his slow-growth strategy..

So what!!! Hostile takeover, hostile intentions. Did they use the company's money to pay the pre-IPO expenses? How did Hindelang miss this drain such that the compant went bankrupt?

"Defendants steered Pacific Coin from one disastrous transaction to another -- solely for defendants' benefit," the lawsuit said. "In so doing, defendants actively misrepresented to, and concealed information from, Pacific Coin Management to prevent it from blocking these ruinous transactions.".

So Hindelang or the CEO was FORCED to make bad decisions...You would think an old pothead would be more paranoid--and is a jailbird ever honest????

Love those LA jurers. How many SAG idiots in the box?

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Thanks for the ping!

I think I will just index this without pinging everybody!

[NormsRevenge]

LOL ... Yup, Too Much of this Kind of StuFF could make the natives restless!

[blackdog]

But, it can be expected that big business leaders on the campaign wagon bring with them some huge risks to the party. Think back on all the bosses and managers you had direct contact with that did behave unethically? I had quite a few. Liberals who are relatively unable to make decisions, just debate them to death and spread wealth to those who help them have a much more silent group that they interact with.

I worked directly with a CEO of a large office products company who would state in meetings all the time, that he is "going to do this or that, but I'll deny have ever having said it outside this room" If that guy ever ran for office, I would crucify him publicly, republican or democrat.

[gunnedah]

I really dont want to be unfair to Simon and many a person in prison is better than Davis. But in saying that most of the scum and power brokers in this country are never caught and mentioned.They know how to handle the system of so called justice and the press and the beat them both like a drum.The ones that control the green control America and you will never no it in most cases.Simon probably is on the second rung of the ladder right next to the top but he knew what went down if anything or was stupid and I dont believe he is stupid.