Posted on 07/28/2002 1:17:17 PM PDT by scripter
You're right about negative research articles disappearing...
Scrip - do have the Paraphilia and Distress in DSM-IV article in the database?
Scrip - here's another one for the database:
Sexual Politics And Scientific Logic: The Issue Of Homosexuality
I've been thinking of posting the entire database (currently 278 links) as a separate thread on FR for everyone to reference. I just have to come up with a format I like.
I freep-mailed lentulusgracchus on this very point. These are "smoking gun" online APA rebuttals and it would be a shame to lose them. I’ve asked LG to start a thread with his/her interesting perspective on these and other online sources you all may not have as well. I’ll send you both those privately.
I started the database because I noticed the homosexual agenda links drop off in time. The links still exist but the reference in the index drops off and I'm not sure what determines when the link drops out of the index. Also, the database is sorted by category, which is a huge help when looking for something.
I appreciate any help in the form of ideas on how to make this any easier for folks to reference.
Marmor was one of two "expert" witnesses who appeared and gave testimony in Judge Buchmeyer's federal court, which was the North Texas district, in support of the gay appellants' position. The case was very like the Lawrence case, and the appeal in federal court was intended to overthrow the Texas sodomy statute. The case had been basically forum-shopped to Buchmeyer's court because he was a screaming liberal, who went on to hand down all sorts of other outrageous "interstitital and penumbrous" McGovernite decisions and dicta.
The actual defendants on appeal were the Texas attorney general (a 'Rat who didn't want to defend) and local D.A.'s, until a group of Dallas-area doctors calling themselves Dallas Doctors Against AIDS attempted to intervene on public-health grounds, with the acquiescence of one of the attorneys originally defending. The DDAA attorney, who was arguing that the emergent AIDS epidemic argued for a strong public interest in a statute that banned a principal mode of AIDS transmission, summoned Paul Cameron on short notice (he'd been involved in another case at Texas A&M University), and Cameron appeared for the intervenors, against Marmor. His presentation was apparently ragged and included current newspaper stories, and the judge seized on the nonprofessional sources to attack Cameron's credibility. Cameron's presentation necessarily attacked Marmor's, and Cameron may have said some things about Marmor's activities as vice-president and then president of the APA that militated against Marmor's objectivity. Marmor rebutted and attacked Cameron, but I don't have that material. Buchmeyer basically said from the bench that the eminent Dr. Marmor, past president of the APA, is a lot more credible than Paul Cameron, who perforce is a liar and a faker.
Marmor may have made reference -- this is speculation -- to an incident a few years before, in which Cameron was sucker-punched by someone who planted a story on him at a meeting in Nebraska. Cameron was talking to a group about the numbers of incidents of youth abuse involving gay men, and "someone" told "someone else" just before the meeting about an outrageous incident of child abuse by a gay man or men that had just occurred and was a live, open case in Nebraska. That person repeated the story with all the details to Cameron, who carelessly repeated it during his presentation. He was promptly attacked as a liar, and on inspection the story vanished into thin air. IMHO the story was planted on Cameron to damage him, and I think -- I'd have to find a transcript from 1981 to be sure -- Marmor may have mentioned the incident in rebutting Cameron before Buchmeyer, and then played Buchmeyer's reaction back to the professional-affairs committee of the Nebraska chapter of the American Psychological Association, of which Cameron was a member. As I posted above, this professional-affairs investigation sent Cameron a letter demanding a review of his materials and writings, to which Cameron replied by resigning.
Cameron, who carelessly repeated it during his presentation.
Oh yes; now I remember you telling me this before. Let’s face it, he’s made mistakes, he’s maybe a little naive but that doesn’t compare to the Big Lie propagated by the APA. The effects for which have trickled down from psychiatry to psychology to sociology and psychoanalysis; that was the day when science was left behind for social engineering and bias.
No, I wasn't an eyewitness, though I'm old enough. No, someone passed me links to the Buchmeyer decision and some of the briefs in the Texas sodomy case, which are posted online (I have links somewhere), and there are memoranda online criticizing Cameron, plus Cameron's own posts about the incident in Nebraska and his later confrontation with his detractors in the American Psychological Association. Some of it is on the NARTH site, and some on sites borking Cameron.
Gregory M. Herek of UC Davis attacks Cameron
Loretta Haroian's Class Guide on Child Sexuality (Reisman detractor)
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