Fires burning on more than 260,000 acres across Oregon

Oregon Live/ AP ^ | 07/28/2002 | AP

[Grampa Dave]

Here is the Wall Street Journal article/thread on the hypocrite Chainsaw Da$$hole: (Chainsaw Da$$hole want to cut trees in his home state to prevent forest fires. Says $crew rest of Americans!)

[QuestionBureaucracy]

When Smoky Bear said "Only YOU can prevent forest fires", I guess he must have been addressing God. All of them seemed to have been started by lightning.

Or maybe the federal gubbermint on whose land the vast majority of these fires are burning. The feds are wholly incompetent stewards of the land. Its time to transfer title of all federal lands to the states.

[Grampa Dave]

That looks very smokey and hazy!

[Carry_Okie]

But the greens say Sequoia forests needs to be toasted on occasion, it opens up the seed pods you see. There’s just no other way to get the seeds that will save us.

They should go see the Dillonwood forest. I have a URL to a Fresno Bee article that describes this as a private sequoia forest regenerated by logging. I note with sadness that it is now part of the National Park. The URL is dead and I have requested a copy of the article from the Bee.

[arm958]

Don't worry, this is a good thing. Forest fires drive out humans, who, as we all know, cause damage to salmon habitat. Just ask the guv'ner.

[Grampa Dave]

KGWTV report on the Dalles Area Fire:

Fire Near The Dalles Grows Again
07/28/2002

By ANDREW KRAMER, Associated Press Writer


A sprawling wildfire near the Columbia River port town of The Dalles singed another 3,000 acres overnight and burned to within inches of some buildings but had not destroyed any homes by Sunday morning.


"The fire is continuing to pose serious control problems," as gusty winds periodically kick up the flames, said Peg Foster, an Oregon Department of Forestry information officer. She cited the danger of the smoke from the flames hitting electrical lines.




Crews had the Sheldon Ridge fire about 55 percent contained, she said.


Residents of 250 homes have been urged to evacuate since the lightning-started fire flared Thursday and spread into subdivided rural land along three roads about three miles south of The Dalles.


City workers also abandoned a water treatment plant, taking chlorine and other potentially dangerous materials with them. About 60 homes were without water. Two outbuildings have burned.


Stiff winds whistling through the Columbia River Gorge pushed the fire toward high-tension Bonneville Power Administration electrical wires overnight, Foster said.


The wires were still live Sunday, but if carbon-rich smoke thickens around the cables, it could cause the electricity from the lines to arc, endangering firefighters. If that danger intensifies, she said, authorities might switch them off and reroute power.


Some of the blaze's growth Sunday was accounted for by more accurate mapping of the charred ground behind fire lines, rather than a single advance into new terrain, she said.





Four heavy lift choppers swooped and hovered over the fire, dipping underslung buckets into a pond below and then dumping the water to help quench the flames.


One helicopter pilot had to deal with more than fire Saturday afternoon, reporting that a person on the ground pointed a rifle at him as he hovered over a pond.


The Wasco County Sheriff's office arrested Rocky Wade Bratner, 47, on charges of menacing and pointing a gun.


"Probably the guy didn't want him to take any more water," Hinatsu said. The pilot got water from another pond.


Fire managers said their strategy Sunday was to contain the wildfire using 66 fire engines deployed mostly along Mill Creek Road. They hoped to slow its advance toward the electrical cables carrying power from Columbia River dams to Portland, and prevent its creeping down a hillside toward The Dalles. The town was not considered threatened.


A contingent of 125 Oregon National Guard troops arrived Saturday to help about 650 firefighters.


The fire mostly crept along the ground, burning grass and chaparral on the slopes without climbing into the crowns of oak and pine trees and leaping along the tops.

[Grampa Dave]

The White River has been made into a tinder box with no removal of dead trees for years. It was scary re the dead and stacked up by nature dead trees three years ago.

I can't imagine what it is like now.

[AAABEST]

Saddened bump.

[Grampa Dave]

See Carry Okies's and my replies on this thread re how the burning out of innocents around these forests and wildland areas is probably an end goal of the anti human elite Eco Fascists in Oregon and other states.

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

I do see now as the time when the Greenies will take a long vacation, somewhere away from the people in the Western US. Anywhere but there.

[Grampa Dave]

Sounds like the eco fascists end goals in Floriduh and Oregone are the same.

Create massive fire dangers by not allowing proper maintenance and then control the water in the areas.

Then, when fire comes by nature or by one of their arsonists, innocent homeowners often lose their homes, farms and ranches due to the eco fascists rural cleansing agendas by fire.

[Grampa Dave]

Naah, they are so arrogant, with their Druid Godde$$, Boxer, they are now actively pushing for 2.5 million more acres to become Druid Wilderness areas in Kali alone.

Most of their supporters $ wise and voting wise are in cities like Portland, SF, San Jose, Sacramento, Eugene, Seattle and other western left wing cities. They are untouched by these fires and are cheering for the rural cleansing being done by the fires now and their aftermath.

[r9etb]

I guess that the size of the acreage burning in Oregon can no longer be discounted or ignored by the Oregonian/Oregon Live Green Beanies.

I just spent the last week in Central Oregon, and actually watched them fighting the Cache Mountain fire. Lotsa smoke thereabouts, and was within a few miles of the Cache Mountain, Eyerle, and the one near Lake Billy Chinook.

They've been doing a lot of controlled thinning/burning in the area, though probably it's far less than 1% of the forest land thereabouts. I wouldn't be too surprised to see the folks living within the Sisters Ranger District, at any rate, to be clamoring for a lot more of it ASAP.

The results of that thinning have somewhat returned things to the way the forest looked in 1900. I seem to recall that it looked pretty much that way even into the 60s, when I can first remember it, though I suspect that balance was maintained by some pretty heavy selective logging in the area (it's almost imperceptible now).

I think that the greenies thereabouts may well begin to see the point -- though it's the idiots in Portland and Eugene that are the ones filing the lawsuits, and they seem impervious to anything other than a mystical reverence for unmolested trees.

OTOH, I would really hate to see this used as an excuse for clear-cutting in the area -- which IMHO is the real (mostly aesthetic) reason that many of these people file lawsuits in the first place.

My family knows a couple of old-time (pre-EPA) USFS hands are disgusted with the current forest-management methods, which seem to be governed by the dancing elephants of Big Timber and the Environmentalists -- neither of whom have any particular interest in doing the right thing.

[Grampa Dave]

It appears to be smokey south of Medford on I 5 at the Siskiyou Summit:

[Grampa Dave]

In the warm Indian Summer Days in the Napa/Sonoma areas, we have our annual haze. The Indians even discussed this annual haze before whitey got here with his suvs.

The local Air Resources Eco Nazis try to go ballistic every year up here from San Francisco North to blame evil SUVs, trucks and of course evil man.

The damn haze would be here with or without us.

[SierraWasp]

I truly appreciate these photographic posts of yours, but must say they sure load slowly on my slow modem and low-grade rural phone lines that only pass about 2.5 Kb/second!

Just clicking on "New Posts to You" takes about 10 minutes to see all my pings and posts. This is especially true with the graphic posts.

Now Dave, I don't want you to stop posting them, I just want to make sure you remember we don't all have high-speed connections and it's not our fault. Here we are forced to pay that dang "Gore Tax" on our phone bill that was supposed to do what the REA did for rural electification for the rural areas on the WORLD-WIDE WEB that Gore invented.

Just remember... so far, it ain't happenin!!!

[Grampa Dave]

The green eco terrorists in Portland/Seattle/San Francisco/Sacramento want zero logging of even dead trees.

They used the clear cuts as the pyscho wedge to gain support of their zero logging agendas on the West Coast.

They have law suits all over Kali, Washington and Oregon to prevent the logging of trees killed in fires last year. Their end goal/agenda is zero logging anywhere unless it comes from a Tree Farm whose owners donate massive funds to the Green Elitists.

[Grampa Dave]

Here is a little history of the use of arson and eco terrorism by various greens in Oregon, Washington and the USA.

The following article was first published by the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, and is reproduced with permission of the author.

War in the Woods

By Bill Pickell, General Manager, Washington Contract Loggers Association

August 26, 2001

It's been bedlam on the West Coast in the past few months as ecoterrorist firebugs slithered out from underneath their darkened rocks and lit up the Western skies. From logging equipment to luxury homes to university buildings to tree farms, anything remotely involved with the use of - or access to - our natural resources has become fair game for the arsonists. In the "name of saving the environment," these criminals have caused fire damage exceeding $12 million in a short period of time.

In Western states alone, at least 100 major acts of arson, bombings and sabotage occurred from 1980 through September 1999, according to The Oregonian, with the total damage adding up to $42.5 million. That number increased by 28 percent through May 2001 to more than $55 million - just in the West. Arson activity, like uncontrolled wildfires, has now spread to the East Coast, the South and the Midwest. For that we are grateful, as now these criminals will get major-league attention.

The brunt of the arson damage and economic loss has been borne mostly by small businesses, like our loggers - mom and pop businesses that endure a $100,000 loss here or a $300,000 loss there. Soon we're talking big money. From 1988 through 1996, 27 cases of sabotage to the equipment of members of the Washington Contract Loggers Association totaled more than $2.5 million, or almost $100,000 per occurrence.

Ron Arnold, in his book Ecoterror, says, "The scarcity of multinational corporate targets is striking, given the radical environmentalists' rhetoric of shutting down the Exxons, Norandas and Mitsubishis of the world."

They must have read Arnold's book because they burned down a Boise Cascade facility in December 1999 for $1 million in damage. But it is still a rarity for big business to get targeted.

The Earth Liberation Front, which the FBI considers the country's leading terrorist organization, has instructions on its Web page on how to set fires with electrical timers, apparently similar to those used in recent fires.

The Web page of the organization, a radical offshoot of the still-radical Earth First group, states, "The ELF realizes the profit motive - caused and reinforced by the capitalist society - is destroying all life on this planet. The only way, at this point in time, to stop that continued destruction of life - is by any means necessary - to take the profit out of killing."

The ELF and its counterpart, the Animal Liberation Front, are kissing cousins; they're capable of the same destruction but supposedly for different causes.

The ELF reached its apex in notoriety when it burned down the $12 million ski facility in Vail, Colo. The arsonists may never be found, as Newsweek stated, because the FBI pulled all its agents off the case to run leads on the Columbine High School massacre.

Until Vail, the FBI has seemingly ignored this war in the West - or war against rural America. The FBI documented 30 acts of terrorism in the country from 1990 to 1998, which is significantly less than the listing by The Oregonian newspaper. However, after Vail, former FBI Director Louis Freeh finally said to the U.S. Senate Appropriations Committee (in February 1999) that "the most recognizable, single-issue terrorists at the present time are those involved in violent animal rights, anti-abortion and environmental protection movements." According to Freeh, these people are now on the FBI's radar screen.

Catching the self-styled Robin Hoods is no easy task, but it certainly could be more effective if federal agencies would enforce basic laws and stop being "politically correct." For instance, the burned log trucks featured on the cover of our association's Springboard magazine were to haul logs from the Eagle Creek watershed in Mount Hood National Forest. Normally 25 to 30, mostly young, student protesters are on the timber sale site daily; many live on or near the site in primitive conditions.

Do you know where your high school or college-aged children are spending the summer? Are they on the picket lines of groups such as the ELF? Environmental groups enlist young people to protest timber sales, logging operations and even university genetic research. Many are paid to protest, and they are literally playing with fire, as they get involved with vandalism, trespassing, tree sitting, road blockages, tree spiking and other malicious acts. This is the training ground for the ELF and the source for new activists willing to turn "hard core" to take on more risky, felonious activity, like the recent arson at the University of Washington Center for Urban Horticulture.

These activists consistently trespass, commit acts of vandalism and harass forest workers - mainly during the daytime - all under the banner of "saving the environment." Rarely, if ever, does a sheriff or U.S. Forest Service agent arrest or charge any of the young activists, yet a small percentage of them are known to be "hard core" instigators who continue their damage into the night.

Arrests for trespassing, vandalism and malicious mischief would go a long way to help discourage this activity and build data on the activists. Reportedly, sympathetic bureaucrats within these agencies refuse to follow the law, for it may damage their image with the public. What image? Wimps?

Why is it no longer politically correct to protect honest, hard-working, law-abiding Americans who have purchased legally sold and environmentally acceptable timber?

One Eugene, Ore., man has been convicted of a small "first" fire at Romania Chevrolet and sentenced to 22 years in prison; the verdict is to be appealed. He could easily be the culprit in the second, million-dollar fire; however, there are no admitted suspects at this time. Eugene is the home of the anarchist movement in the Northwest; all of them are very "unfriendly" to business.

In response Oregon has passed an ecoterrorism bill that expands the racketeering statutes to include crimes against research, livestock and agricultural facilities. Legislators increased penalties to Class C felonies if damage is $2,500 or more.

The ELF responded by saying, "Pending legislation in Oregon and Washington further criminalizing direct action in defense of the wild will not stop us and only highlights the fragility of the ecocidal empire."

They are correct: We have enough laws on the books; all we need is the backbone to enforce them.

Forest sabotage is taking a deep toll on the economic viability of forest contractors. Activists know that if they can delay an operation, it may become economically unlivable; they are so right and are so successful. Only the business owner sees the hidden costs masked by the arsonist's smoke, such as increases in insurance rates for buildings, equipment and liability, the necessity for security services and lost income from lack of production.

As an example, one logger spent $10,000 for special security for one month to keep the anarchists at bay. Is that what it is coming to? Will mortgage lenders support your dream house if there's a history of arson in the area? Will the Forest Service put up timber sales knowing that the trees will be spiked and the roads picketed or closed?

The "war in the woods" is escalating, and it's only a matter of time before someone else is killed, intentionally or unintentionally. (One activist was killed when a tree fell on him, and a friend and colleague, Gil Murray, was blown to bits by the Unabomber.) You cannot describe the emotion when people find their businesses, homes or equipment have just gone up in smoke. Many times the owners' total investment and lifetime efforts have gone with it.

ELF members and their ilk, not unlike Unabomber Ted Kaczynski, thrive on publicity. They have to be challenged and punished, for our society cannot sustain the ecoterror that is in the woods, as well as our neighborhoods. Debate is great, but direct action by law enforcement is more appropriate in these instances.

This year's damage

June 1, Portland: Of six logging trucks set up to be torched, three were burned; the rest were saved because incendiary devices failed. ELF credited. Logger was to haul logs from controversial Mount Hood timber sale. $150,000 damage.

May 20, Seattle: University of Washington Center for Urban Horticulture was extensively damaged by pre-dawn arson. The target was research on fast-growing hybrid poplar trees. Among the ancillary damage was research on endangered plant species, reforestation at Mount St. Helens and the Master Gardeners program. ELF credited. $4 million to $5 million damage.

May 20, Clatskanie, Ore.: Arson at Jefferson Poplar Farms destroyed several buildings, a half-dozen pickup trucks, all-terrain vehicles and semi-trailer. ELF credited. $500,000 damage.

April 4, Albertville, Minn.: Attempted arson at the Nike outlet store, which was targeted because, terrorists say, the parent corporation uses sweatshop labor overseas. ELF credited. Damage unknown.

March 30, Eugene, Ore.: 26 vehicles, all Chevrolet Tahoes and Suburbans, were torched at Romania Chevrolet. Damage in excess of $1 million.

Jan. 15, Marblemount, Wash.: Sand was poured into oil and hydraulic parts on logging equipment owned by Pacific Logging. Damage and down time amounted to $100,000.
Jan. 1, Glendale, Ore.: The main office of Superior Lumber Co. was torched. $500,000 damage. ELF memo to company: "This year, 2001, we hope to see an escalation in tactics against capitalism and industry."

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This is for those who get upset with my "Key Descriptive Words re the Eco Terrorism of America by Fire as a result of the agendas and ? of the Watermelons of America.

[Grampa Dave]

Sorry about that. I will leave you off my ping lists.

That way you can load stuff a little faster.

Then, if you want to read about my burning of America threads courtesy of the Green Fascists, you go directly to on of my threads.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

March 30, Eugene, Ore.: 26 vehicles, all Chevrolet Tahoes and Suburbans, were torched at Romania Chevrolet. Damage in excess of $1 million.

That is a real bad thing!
Those are the Gems of American Transportation!