Bugs: The Best Witnesses? (Westerfield's Son Neal Forced To Testify By Desperate D.A. Dusek!!)

Court TV ^ | July 25, 2002 | Harriet Ryan

[cyncooper]

the ME also gave a max 6 week in his estimation.

[Stiv]

Before he would confess, Cary Stayner wanted guarantees from FBI agents that they'd supply him with child pornography in prison, something he says had tormented him his entire life.

If he'd given into his urges before the killings, ``maybe this stuff wouldn't have happened,'' Stayner told the agents moments before detailing the gruesome killings of a Yosemite tour guide and three tourists in 1999.

I'm confused. Is Stayner trying to imply that if he'd given into to his urges to view child pornography the murders wouldn't have happened, or that if he could have had a pedophilic encounter they wouldn't have happened? The article is very poorly worded.

[Krodg]

No one said they were taking this guy serious. We were talking aout the 'expert' witneses.

[Freedom2specul8]

Bunny, wasn't that in a thread here on FR? NO wait..someone linked to it...before. Is that from alamo girl's link?

[BunnySlippers]

Bundy was a self-serving jerk and it sounds like Stayner is as well. It is not uncommon for a heinous murderer to play the "victim" and blame his conduct on someone or something else.

It's interesting that you mention that. Bundy was interviewed by a Christian conservative where he said he was fueled by pornography. After that Liberals became inflamed that it was a conservative conspiracy to quash pornography ...

[John Jamieson]

Even earlier than that. I think he said 28 to 42 days (4 to 6 weeks). That would be Jan 15th.

[the Deejay]

I think you're right about the, "Gee, this would be a good place to bury a body". I don't believe there's anything in the sealed motions regarding "confession" we don't know about.

And hey! How many people & how many times, has someone made a statement about a body and the desert anyway? I still contend, DW had many more places on his weekend get-away to dump a body. That Dehesa Rd. was very open to public view. Whoever dumped the body had a 'lookout' &/or knew the Dehesa location very well. Say, someone who has dumped rubbish in the area often???

[Stiv]

Side note: I'm suing Free Republic because they made a message board so addictive that it's robbing me of truly productive activity...kinda like the guy suing Mickey D's and BK because their food is fatty.... ;-)

[agrandis]

For an entomologist, this is a highly interesting turn in an otherwie unbelievably sordid and disgusting story. I wish forensic entomology could have been applied to the case of Vince Foster. There would have been facts at hand impossible to obfuscate.

[cyncooper]

the county prepared for a crush of people interested in a high profile trial ... but it didn;t happen.

Probably would have received more attention but for the Westerfield trial, the Smart case mystery and the focus on Samantha Runnion. Is the Stayner trial receiving any television coverage in CA?

[ernie pantuso]

Most reputable ME's do not like giving an exact TOD because of too many unknown variables. They usually only give a range of dates and emphasize that it is only a best estimate.

What has my curiosity piqued with the ME in this case is how broad his range is--I believe that it is anywhere from 10 days to 6 weeks. In my experience, I have never come across an ME opinion with such a broad range when the body is found within four weeks of disappearance.

[truth_seeker]

Finally, the Meese Commission study on pornography that you impicitly referred to in an earlier post never concluded that there is a connection between pornography and violent crime.

If so, wouldn't it be wise for Feldman to introduce some kind of expert, to say this? For absent such testimony, the juror is free, to make the connection for himself, justified or not.

[BunnySlippers]

Bunny, wasn't that in a thread here on FR? NO wait..someone linked to it...before. Is that from alamo girl's link?

I picked it up from alt.true-crime. But then I traced it to the San Jose Mercury News which I think is www.bayarea.com. I searched for "Stayner" and "pornography".

The Stayner trial is just creepy. He will go down in the annals of crime. Stuff that is coming out in his trial has not been revealed before.

But if you search "pornography" on the site you'll see another interesting case involving child porn and the commission of a crime.

[Freedom2specul8]

No!! Not the S word!!!!

[alexandria]

something he says had tormented him his entire life.

Wow. It's amazing to me how some newspeople only write what they feel will get people in a gut wrenching and emotional newspaper buying frenzy. They have radicated another article where Stayner said something like, "I've never seen any but have always wanted to, maybe if I had givin in to the intrest..."
Be right back looking for source.

[the Deejay]

"kinda like the guy suing Mickey D's and BK because their food is fatty."


Isn't that the limit? It was so disgusting, I couldn't read the entire article. Now, people get "addicted to the fats in food?" Ridiculous! In fact, it isn't fats that make one put on weight. It's sugar. Fats are actually good for the body. The brain is mostly fat. Deprive the brain of fats & the brain cannot function properly.

Sugar & carbs are the body's worst enemies.

[FresnoDA]

MUDD MAD! Threatens To Close Westerfield Trial To Media-Reports Of Mad-Dogging!!!

[ernie pantuso]

Thank you for the reminder about Bundy's interview. Again, he geared part of his message in that interview to his audience--Bundy was fighting being executed and wanted allies for that fight. His statements on pornography should critically reviewed because he was a self-serving manipulative killer.

Also, it was not Christian conservatives vs. liberals in the pornography debate. It was some religious groups, some conservative groups, and some LIBERAL(read, fascist)FEMINISTS who were allies in that cause.

[Stiv]

Most reputable ME's do not like giving an exact TOD because of too many unknown variables. They usually only give a range of dates and emphasize that it is only a best estimate.

What has my curiosity piqued with the ME in this case is how broad his range is--I believe that it is anywhere from 10 days to 6 weeks. In my experience, I have never come across an ME opinion with such a broad range when the body is found within four weeks of disappearance.

You know, I thought the same thing when I read the first reports because there's no reason the ME shouldn't take into account the approximate time of disappearance when fixing his TOD. Unlike an expert witness who's supposed to limit his conclusions based on raw data, the ME knows in advance the latest possible date the victim (i.e., an innocent young girl) could have died. Or perhaps I'm just assuming that....

[BunnySlippers]

Is the Stayner trial receiving any television coverage in CA?

Not that I know of. I'm in Los Angeles and the crime was up north. It was theorized that it was not interesting because we knew all there was to know about Cary Stayner. Clearly, the stuff that has come out in the last few days would belie that. He was such a monster I refuse to follow the case closely.

Far more interesting is a case going on now in San Diego ... the Stephanie Crowe case. She was 12 years old and stabbed to death in her bed. Her 14 year old broher confessed to the crime along with 2 of his friends. No forensice evidence was found in her room.

HOWEVER, later a schizophrenic transient who was combing her neighborhood for an old girlfriend that night was found to have a few drops of Stephanie's blood on his sweatshirt.

So much for the confessions! The perp is now in custody ... very interesting with some weird twists.