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Smart Case, July 24, 2002
07/24/02 | Jolly Green

Posted on 07/23/2002 9:34:42 PM PDT by Jolly Green

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To: spore-gasm
I don't think anyone was trying to hide anything so Sarah was on TV. I do remember when the SL investigator said "we will get you" and thinking he was hurting Elizabeths chances of survival.
81 posted on 07/24/2002 4:14:45 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: freedox
Come on, Jolly. The police did not say "someone who was trusted within the Smart family"......they said "a trusted member of the community." Regardless of how the Smarts and their neighbors might have viewed Ricci, there is NO WAY that the police are going to refer to him as "a trusted member of the community." That's a stretch and you know it.

Fact is, the police didn't refer to the abductor as "a trusted member of the community." It is often difficult to glean facts from FR, because one poster will put out their interpretation of events and others assume them to be gospel. Yesterday, we had a poster who believed that Ricci had been cleared, probably based upon an erroneous post by Varina Davis weeks ago. Nothing could be further from the truth, as Ricci tops the list of probable suspects in the Smart abduction.

More to the point, it has been posted here on FR literally hundreds of times that police referred to the abductor as a "a trusted member of the community." You cited it twice. Problem is, that quote is not correct. I located four quotes from CNN, Deseret News and two from CBS with the identical wording: "trusted person in the neighborhood or community" all published on June 18th and 19th. I was going to cite portions of these articles and provide links, but decided not to in the interest of brevity - this is long enough already.

Even you should be willing to concede that there is a different connotation between the word "member" and the word "person".

It should also be easy to see that there is a difference between the Smart perception of Ricci in their ignorance of his criminal record at one point in time versus the police view of Ricci who had full access to his criminal record. The following quote from a Deseret News article on June 18th entitled Case stirs emotions near, far offers some insight into the culture where the Smarts live:

Some shared concern about what they see as an abrupt shift in the safe perception of Salt Lake City and Utah.

"I think of Salt Lake City as the way America was in the 1950s. The family values, the friendliness, the trust surpasses every other city in the United States if not the world," wrote New Yorker Cutter Johnson. "It breaks my heart to think that this is changing. I have always taken comfort in the fact that your city was so warm and open."

"People who have not lived in Utah can not conceive of the holistic environment the Utah community engenders," writes Ken Marker, a former Utah resident. "I recall diverting Little Cottonwood Creek down the center of the street virtually overnight. In Park City we moved the contents of the town library to the new building hand to hand like a bucket brigade. No way either of these events could have happened in another state."

82 posted on 07/24/2002 4:16:52 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: dalebert
I thought Mr.Smart let Ricci go before the abduction?

He did. I tried to make a distinction between the family's perception before the theft, after the theft and after the abduction - maybe not doing it very well. Before the theft, they trusted him. After the theft, they knew that he was one of three who probably stole from them. They didn't hire him back, but were probably open to the possibility that it could have been one of the others.

83 posted on 07/24/2002 4:34:13 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Neenah
Awesome job, Neenah! I can't thank you enough.

Those on FR who hold Boylan in such high regard, might have to rethink their positions regarding the competance of the SLCPD/FBI and their assumptions about this case.

84 posted on 07/24/2002 4:37:10 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: spore-gasm
for the texture of this man's skin.

I re-read that part...texture to me means having to touch someone doesn't it?

85 posted on 07/24/2002 4:39:30 PM PDT by cherry
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To: spore-gasm; jengaio
The word in question is "trusted," especially when uttered by the Police Chief.

The exact quote says "trusted person in the neighborhood or community". The quote didn't come from the chief and it didn't say "trusted by the police".

What's the straight scoop, Jengaio?

89 posted on 07/24/2002 5:19:32 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Jolly Green
Ricci was in fact a trusted member of the community, working in the Smart's and neighbor homes unsupervised - UNTIL the theft. At which point he was no longer trusted.

LOLOL..ya right!! Maybe in a community with ALL cons, but in reality, they don't even trust each other!

90 posted on 07/24/2002 5:21:01 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Neenah
Good job, Neenah. Thank you.
91 posted on 07/24/2002 5:24:12 PM PDT by Vinomori
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To: Palladin
Thanks Palladin...I guess we will all have to wait and see. One thing that I question is how do some people know things? Has it been published or quoted? (i.e. confidentiality agreement with the Smarts).

All this will be known some day. I really enjoy your posts, too.

92 posted on 07/24/2002 5:28:00 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: Jolly Green
...."trusted person in the neighborhood or community"....

I stand corrected on the exact quote, Jolly, and I do agree that there is a subtle difference between this and "trusted member of the community."

93 posted on 07/24/2002 5:28:26 PM PDT by freedox
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I just heard on Fox News, that MR. Smart hired Ms. Boylan !! What and who put out a GAG ORDER on her??????

one blurb on the same short news flash, said that Mark Klaas was mad and called it a "stupid mistake that may have caused Elizabeth her life" (that Tom Smart would not allow her to come in in the early days. wow.

Sorry, but I just have a feeling that Mr. Smart is hindering the investigation. I never heard of something like this. amazing.

94 posted on 07/24/2002 5:39:37 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: Jolly Green
Those on FR who hold Boylan in such high regard, might have to rethink their positions regarding the competance of the SLCPD/FBI and their assumptions about this case.

Agreed. Just as those who have held Tom Smart and Ed Smart in such high regard might have to rethink their positions regarding their irresponsible (at best) emotional refusal to bring her into this case on DAY ONE.
95 posted on 07/24/2002 5:41:54 PM PDT by Vinomori
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To: Neenah
....."I am optomistic that what we were able to produce, will be very useful in their attempt to find Elizabeth."

Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but this opening quote from Boylan struck me as being very positive. Rather than referring to "solving the case" or "finding out who took Elizabeth," Boylan refers to "FINDING ELIZABETH." The wording just struck me as being indicative of hope for a positive outcome. Hope I'm right.......

96 posted on 07/24/2002 5:44:52 PM PDT by freedox
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To: Vinomori
Just as those who have held Tom Smart and Ed Smart in such high regard might have to rethink their positions regarding their irresponsible (at best) emotional refusal to bring her into this case on DAY ONE.

That presupposes that the SLCPD/FBI didn't already know who the perp is.

97 posted on 07/24/2002 5:45:13 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I am reading this late to get caught up, but by now you have read my post that says that the PD had no control of this one...Mr. Smart hired her, and stopped her from talking to the press apparently as just announced on Fox News.

Another bizaar twist at the hand of Mr. Smart. On that I think most will agree. Not making it up..it was reported. My word was "bizaar".

98 posted on 07/24/2002 5:45:40 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: Neenah
Mark Klaas was mad and called it a "stupid mistake that may have caused Elizabeth her life"

Sounds more like sour grapes to me. Boylan is getting all of the attention.

99 posted on 07/24/2002 5:47:18 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: spore-gasm
heck if I know what there is to hide. I saw Sheps show today and it all sounded sort of screwy. First no sketches and then its time for sketches. There was an email and now they can't find it. As for the "we will get you" statement. I couldn't tell it was intended for a kid or adult. Maybe someone foreign?
100 posted on 07/24/2002 5:48:35 PM PDT by dalebert
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