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Smart Case, July 24, 2002
07/24/02 | Jolly Green

Posted on 07/23/2002 9:34:42 PM PDT by Jolly Green

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To: 4ourprogeny
Under the runaway motive, don't you think there would be at least another person missing - that is, if she ran away with another person?

Maybe not -- if the other person was an adult.

21 posted on 07/24/2002 8:54:22 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: txrangerette
Can anyone with local info or informed speculation, tell us why Ed's view of things isn't being put out on Big Media everywhere in America(& the world)? Some days ago this would've made huge headlines!

Probably because there's been such a rash of kidnappings lately in the news?

22 posted on 07/24/2002 8:57:37 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: txrangerette
Can anyone with local info or informed speculation, tell us why Ed's view of things isn't being put out on Big Media everywhere in America(& the world)?

People are weary. There has been so much speculation and so little revelation that people are just weary. People will be interested again when it's all over.
23 posted on 07/24/2002 9:10:55 AM PDT by Vinomori
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To: GovernmentShrinker
In yesterday's thread you said:

I doubt that it has been withdrawn. As I understand it, the immunity deal covered only a few days around the time of Elizabeth's disappearance. It never covered crimes committed at other times, and the new charges which have been brought against Ricci are all for crimes committed at times far removed from the date of Elizabeth's disappearance. The purpose of the immunity deal was only to try to ensure that Ricci was forthcoming about his whereabouts at the time of Elizabeth's disappearance, presumably so that if he didn't have anything to do with it, that could be determined quickly.

I tried to find some documentation on this and searched Yahoo, Google, Deseret News and Brigette's archives. Nothing. Can you provide a link?

25 posted on 07/24/2002 9:32:32 AM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: All
This morning, on the TODAY show, the sketch artist we talked about last night, was interviewed.

I taped it, but right now, I am not taking the time to replay it to get her name. She was the controversial Sketch Artist who was in contact with the Smart's in the beginning. You know who I mean.

Anyhow, it was a good interview. I am thinking of sitting down and writing out the whole transcript, but it will take me time, as I don't know shorthand. I have done a Google search on archieves, but I don't think NBC has them.

She did give high praise to the LE officials connected to this crime, and spoke of how artistic and articulate MK was. She was very impressed with her. She apparently interviewed her in the Smart home, with the full co-operation of Mr. and Mrs. Smart. She explained how she worked with the child. (hopefully I can write the entire interview, so as not to type my words..I want it verbatum), but, she said that they made alot of progress.

She could not answer the question given to her as to if the sketch will be given out....and here, I want to make a comment to several posters who called me on the subject of sketch's given for the sould purpose as to give out to the public for help in locating the perp.Those were MY WORDS last night.

I stand corrected, and I want to express it pubically that I was WRONG in that I thought that that was the sole purpose for having a sketch done. This lady told how sometimes the sketch is NOT RELEASED to the public for various reasons. I WAS WRONG. I AM ADMITTING THIS NOW, as I was educated this moring on the subject.

I do want to address a post that was posted last night, however, and I am taking the liberty to re-post it without permission of the poster. Here it is:

To: Neenah

Careful with the facts here; "worked with" doesn't mean successfully. Lots of these self-styled assistant detectives "work with" investigators, with or without the investigators invitation. And the claim that she has worked on "thousands" of cases sounds fishy to me. Most full time police officers and FBI agents haven't worked on "thousands" of cases. She is credited with an exceptionally good sketch of the Unabomber, but we know nothing about the witness(es) or the circumstances of their sightings of the Unabomber. She may be a very good artist, who can predictably produce a good likeness when the witnesses are able to accurately communicate the appearance of the perpetrator.

However, there's a good deal of evidence that she's a pretty heavy duty self-promoter, and uses some unusual touchy-feely methods, and that's why I wouldn't expect police to lend any credence to HER claim that a sketch she produced with MK's assistance was likely to be very accurate.

143 posted on 7/23/02 11:27 PM Central by GovernmentShrinker

With all due respect to anyone on this board, what we may THINK is not facts. I am guilty of it too, for we all have our own theories. But theories are just that for ALL of us.

This poster was disputing the credibility of this artist that has been benificial in aiding in aprehending some big cases, and IS credible with the FBI, having been used many times, whether it sounds "fishy" to you or to me.

This poster stated this at the end:

there's a good deal of evidence that she's a pretty heavy duty self-promoter, and uses some unusual touchy-feely methods, and that's why I wouldn't expect police to lend any credence to HER claim that a sketch she produced with MK's assistance was likely to be very accurate.

I would just like to say to you, again with respect, that any of us may make statements like this, but today you are proven wrong, because they indeed DID lend credence to her, for she was used after all, and I have to put my trust in the Law here. I , or anyone else , do not have the facts, and we should be careful with statements like this, because they can't be backed up. Thanks for letting me say this, I know it was long.

26 posted on 07/24/2002 10:14:01 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: Neenah
Thanks for this update. I look forward to hearing more about the interview......sounds like this might be a promising development.
27 posted on 07/24/2002 10:38:41 AM PDT by freedox
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To: Neenah
neenah..good work

did she say why she was not called in before this?

does she harbor any resentment that her services were belittled apparently????

perhaps, it was the police that did not want her to come in earlier...

In any case, I am so thankful that they have her services now..even at this late date..

Hope this leads to some kind of resolution.

28 posted on 07/24/2002 10:56:44 AM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry
No...none of those things, as you probably sermized, were talked about. The interviews are so short, as you know.

She was very favorable that they made good progress. I am going to try to re-wind that tape, and start writing word for word. It can only help the reader's here. I hope it does that.

Although, anyone involved in the law end of any case, is pretty much not worth interviewing as they cannot reveal any pertinent information. Thanks Cherry.

29 posted on 07/24/2002 11:07:55 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: Neenah
that would be great if you could transcribe the tape..I try to catch the am show but there are so many things to watch and frankly I am getting to just not be a TV person except for sports..I like news but I like the evening shows the best..plus...I am following so many cases right now...
30 posted on 07/24/2002 11:16:22 AM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry
LOL!!! I think ALL of us should open up a " Sleuth office" at the end of this ! We would have all the fighting done by then, and would recognise we are all pretty good people after all !!
31 posted on 07/24/2002 11:23:21 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: Neenah
I found an interview Court T.V. did with Jeanne Boylan the Sketch Artist. Though this was done before the Elizabeth Smart case, I think you will find it interesting to hear her tell about herself, her way of finding out about the trauma of the case and how she puts it on paper.

If you care to read, You can find it here

32 posted on 07/24/2002 11:54:50 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: Neenah
Neenah, thanks for the summary of today's interview of Jeanne Boylan. Did Jeanne mention WHEN she did her sketch of the ES suspect? I am curious to know if it was done early on, and is just one more thing that Tom and Ed Smart lied about.

The media don't like being jerked around by the Smart Bros. any more than we do. Fake letters, disappearing emails, etc. This is probably why the coverage has dropped off this week.
33 posted on 07/24/2002 12:17:31 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: Palladin
"The media don't like being jerked around by the Smart Bros. any more than we do."

Shep Smith is on FOX News right now, ripping into the "weirdness" of this whole thing. He's not pulling any punches.......

34 posted on 07/24/2002 12:21:10 PM PDT by freedox
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To: freedox
and Shep Smith said, that the scetcher is now under gag-order!
35 posted on 07/24/2002 12:31:11 PM PDT by janette
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To: freedox
Shep Smith is on FOX News right now, ripping into the "weirdness" of this whole thing. He's not pulling any punches.......

yes...a very strange case...but I will give the police their due....perhaps everything in this case is much more complicated than any of us know...lets just hope we can solve this..

I know I am nieve....but, I still think there is a chance that Lizzie is alive....

36 posted on 07/24/2002 12:34:39 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Palladin
Palladin..I do believe in the beginnng of the interview, she mentions it, but I am not quite sure if she says "when". I think she refers to something like "recently" or something. But I will have to view it first, cause I wouldn't want to say if I am not sure and accurate.

I am planning on putting the tape on and scribing it within the hour (3:00 p.m., central), and if all works out, I will type it out and post it for everyone.Thanks Palladin.

37 posted on 07/24/2002 12:35:54 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: All
Can anyone, while your memory is fresh, tell us what Shep had to say? What subject's was he talking about, or was he just talking in general ?
38 posted on 07/24/2002 12:38:55 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: janette
A gag order on Jeanne Boylan? This sketch thing is looking to be bigger than we thought. I wonder if Jeanne will whisper anything to her buddy, Marc Klaas about it.

I don't blame Shep for being ticked off. If the Fox team shines their investigative spotlight on Ed Smart, maybe this case will be solved.

Ed Smart is the first father of an abducted child (that I have observed in recent years) to be hospitalized for "exhaustion" within a few days of the incident. It's usually the mothers, but even the terribly distraught and tragic mother of Samantha Runnion was able to pull herself together to thank the public this week. The fathers somehow manage to stand tall for their families in the first few awful days.

"Exhaustion"....Ed Smart....how very histrionic, feminine, and over the top...like the guy in "The Bird Cage".
39 posted on 07/24/2002 12:40:11 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: Palladin
I don't know anything about the gag order. Was this a binding gag order.(don't know if I said that right ) ...anyhow, when I saw her interview this morning, she was very careful NOT to say anything that would jeopardise the case.
40 posted on 07/24/2002 12:47:22 PM PDT by Neenah
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