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Sex scandal death knell for Church? [Bernadin & Co.'s ritualistic abuse exposed]
WorldNetDaily ^ | 7/17/02 | Toby Westerman

Posted on 07/17/2002 6:58:26 AM PDT by Polycarp

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To: aeiou
I personally wish the teenage boys would stay away from the priests, they are probably coming on to the priests. Who needs them anywhere near the priests.

That may be, but nothing would happen then if homosexual priests refused such forwardness. Again, priests should not be allowed to be alone with our children. I know my sons will NEVER be allowed to be alone with a priest again. If 30-40% of the priests are homosexual (as various estimates have indicated), and a goodly percentage of those are ACTIVE homosexuals, and given that many active homosexuals are strongly sexually attracted to teenage boys, why would I ever, ever, ever turn my son over to a potential active homosexual priest with such inclinations? Since I do not have any way of knowing who is who, and in order to protect my children, they will not EVER be alone with a priest again. The Church has grossly failed the child protection test in my view (and of that of every parent of sons I know).

101 posted on 07/17/2002 7:55:27 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
You have pointed out what I think happened to Cardinal Law.

By all accounts he is a solid man. My suspicion is that he was handed stacks of papers to sign (remember Radar and the Colonel?) and he asked a few perfunctory questions before executing the documents.

MOST likely that his staff was a bunch of complicit rats, up to their eyeballs in the scene.

Law will be an object lesson to Bishops: you better get to know your priests VERY well, and fast--or you will be blindsided.

102 posted on 07/17/2002 7:56:18 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: ninenot
Lotta strange stuff out there.

There certainly is.

103 posted on 07/17/2002 7:57:34 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Domestic Church
Yes. I have the key.
104 posted on 07/17/2002 7:59:02 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: ninenot
By all accounts he is a solid man.

I get the very strong impression that his primary objective in all of this was to protect the Church from scandal. I get the very, very, very strong impression that the welfare of children was not uppermost in his mind. At the very, very least, an honorable bishop would at some point tell his subordinates (ratty or not) that they were never to let him sign off on a situation where a child could be placed into danger. Law should have the courage and honor to resign, immediately.

105 posted on 07/17/2002 8:01:33 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: ninenot
Dear ninenot,

"Let's put this another way: does anyone you know run over to a murder scene and ask questions? Of the very small percentage of people who do such things, how many have no apparent relationship with the victim outside of social acquaintance?"

Last fall, the middle-aged daughter of a friend died. Within a short while, many friends were at her home, as the police investigated, to see what had become of their friend, and to comfort the family of the deceased, also our friends. The friend died of natural causes, but the police told us little in the first hours after her body was found. Their refusal to give any information made some of my friends ask their questions all the more insistently.

The article says little about the relationship between Cardinal Bernadin and the murder victim. Except, he seems to have been a senior faculty member at Loyola University, in the cardinal's archdiocese. I quote:

"Pellegrini had also served as chair of the Sociology Department of Loyola University of Chicago."

Knowing a little how the relationships work between chanceries and Catholic universities (I graduated from the Catholic University of America, and met our own archbishop several times at campus events - as a student - not even as a faculty member, or the CHAIRMAN OF A DEPARTMENT.), I would find it entirely unsurprising to find out that the two men knew each other.

Thus, it may have not been so odd, after all.

sitetest

106 posted on 07/17/2002 8:02:07 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: aeiou
. The largest group of the 236,000 offenders are relatives, in the victim's home, between the hours of 3-7 PM.

Let's be very clear about this.

The largest group of child sex abusers are NOT natural fathers (or mothers) but step-parents and/or 'live-in' common-law parents.

My stats come from the Rockford Institute and are a bit old, but not likely significantly changed.

That "relatives" descriptor is a deliberate fudging...

107 posted on 07/17/2002 8:03:34 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: aeiou
Dear aeiou,

"I personally wish the teenage boys would stay away from the priests, they are probably coming on to the priests. Who needs them anywhere near the priests.

"I think the teenage boys want a father figure and money and that is why some of them get involved with the priests."

This is a fairly vile thing to say, especially in the cases where the victims were still quite young. Evidently, many of these homosexual predator priests were quite undiscerning in their age preferences. Some, like Shanley and Porter, appeared to be just as happy with six year olds as with sixteen year olds. Do you think that the six year olds were just playing hard to get, and that just took the priests over the edge?

Perhaps you may wish to rethink your post.

sitetest

108 posted on 07/17/2002 8:05:05 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: aeiou
I personally wish the teenage boys would stay away from the priests, they are probably coming on to the priests. Who needs them anywhere near the priests.

I think the teenage boys want a father figure and money and that is why some of them get involved with the priests.

Gosh. Do you blame rape victims for rape, too?

Teenage boys who seek out a father figure ought to be able to seek out a priest without having to keep their butt cheeks squeezed the entire time they're with him.

Priests ought to be adults; teenage boys are not.

109 posted on 07/17/2002 8:07:59 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sitetest
But on the Last Day, when we stand in judgement, and the Judge points out that in giving the benefit of the doubt, in acting charitably toward others, we were sometimes fooled by evil-doers, what do you think will be His judgement of us for that?

Now THAT is a good question. I imagine it will depend on our duty of state. As a member of the laity that would be different than as the father of a child who was abused. I can tell you as a parent, my obligation and willingness to act charitably towards those I entrust my children to is tempered by my awareness of my duties of state as a father. I do ask tough questions, I do show up at odd and unexpected times and I do listen to what otherwise I would ignore as gossip, at least to the extent of determining wether or not I need to investigate further.

110 posted on 07/17/2002 8:09:56 PM PDT by narses
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To: sinkspur
Teenage boys who seek out a father figure ought to be able to seek out a priest without having to keep their butt cheeks squeezed the entire time they're with him.

Hear, hear.

111 posted on 07/17/2002 8:11:44 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: narses
Dear narses,

There is a real difference between the benefit of the doubt that is withholding judgement on the guilt or innocence of a fellow human being, and putting our children at risk.

I have no reason at all to suspect my own parish priests of any untoward acts or desires. They give every appearance of being good, decent, and holy men. In charity, I can make no accusation against them, and wouldn't.

Nonetheless, I know that the bishops have largely been failures in protecting our children from the 1 in a 100 or 1 in 50 priest who is a predator, and I don't take that risk. My sons don't spend time alone with priests.

That isn't a judgement of my priests, in particular. It is a judgement of the lack of wisdom shown to us by our bishops.

sitetest

112 posted on 07/17/2002 8:20:20 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: Desdemona
You are right. Withholding money from the collection plates is not the answer. What we all must do as Catholics is vote with our feet, and walk out of parishes which are promoting liberal theology. Liberal theology,leftism and a conscious recruitment of homosexual and schismatic priests caused this problem. Not celibacy or an all-male priesthood, as you will read from the same journalists who fawn over people like Bernardine. There are still churches with good priests--we should fill their pews and let the left-wing parishes starve.
113 posted on 07/17/2002 8:21:39 PM PDT by SEA
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To: SEA
Liberal theology,leftism and a conscious recruitment of homosexual and schismatic priests caused this problem.

I think a lot of people are indeed leaving the liberal parishes - just like the Episcopal Church is withering slowly away. The best thing (if that could ever be said) about this scandal is that it will cause many to return to their Catholic roots and the True Faith.

114 posted on 07/17/2002 8:26:10 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
The answer is to purge the homosexuals from the priesthood. The answer is to take back our Church from these vermin. We must stand as a remnant and hold to what the Church is supposed to be, not what these criminals and false priests/bishops/cardinals have made it. The answer is not to keep teenage boys away from spiritual direction--that is the whole purpose of their satanic agenda.
115 posted on 07/17/2002 8:26:30 PM PDT by SEA
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To: sitetest
Your analogy between C.U. and Loyola is faulty.

I spent a number of years at Marquette U. During the period, the Archbishop of Milwaukee (Cousins) lived ACROSS THE STREET from MU and I NEVER saw him on campus.

Loyola, like Marquette, is a Jebby school. On the other hand, CU is a school run by the US Bishops, and the Bishop of Washington DC can be found there often, as you have related.

Further, your analogy re: Pelligrini v. your family friend is similarly flawed. For openers, your friend had a family; Pellegrini seemed to live alone and certainly was not married with children. BIG difference.

In the case at hand, Bernardin seemingly had no one to whom to offer 'help.' This is not like offering to bring a meal for the sake of the mother.

He just showed up at a murder scene.

116 posted on 07/17/2002 8:27:01 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: sitetest
Nonetheless, I know that the bishops have largely been failures in protecting our children from the 1 in a 100 or 1 in 50 priest who is a predator, and I don't take that risk. My sons don't spend time alone with priests. That isn't a judgement of my priests, in particular. It is a judgement of the lack of wisdom shown to us by our bishops.

Well put.

117 posted on 07/17/2002 8:27:14 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: sitetest
aeiou is almost directly quoting Rembert Weakland, who accused a 16-year-old victim of 'coming on' to the priest-attacker.

Look what happened to Weakland.

118 posted on 07/17/2002 8:29:15 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: SEA
Point well taken. I would like every active homosexual to be removed from the priesthood, forthwith. (If they are going to unrepentently sin and break their vows, why should I trust them at all?) I would also like the percentage of chaste homosexuals to be at the very least no more than the percentage in the population as a whole (2-3%, not 30-40%), and not to be allowed close contact with boys. Our Church has been turned into a queerite, Sodomaniacal Church.
119 posted on 07/17/2002 8:33:02 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: narses
I can tell you as a parent, my obligation and willingness to act charitably towards those I entrust my children to is tempered by my awareness of my duties of state as a father. I do ask tough questions, I do show up at odd and unexpected times and I do listen to what otherwise I would ignore as gossip, at least to the extent of determining wether or not I need to investigate further.

We have all been forced to act suchly.

120 posted on 07/17/2002 8:40:57 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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