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Planned volunteer-informant corps elicits '1984' fears
Washington Times | 7/15/2 | By Ellen Sorokin

Posted on 07/16/2002 8:34:23 AM PDT by NoLongerLurker

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To: Diamond
"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."
Justice Louis D. Brandeis
One of my profile quotes pretty much covers it:

It is the invariable habit of bureaucracies, at all times and everywhere, to assume...that every citizen is a criminal. Their one apparent purpose, pursued with a relentless and furious diligence, is to convert the assumption into a fact. They hunt endlessly for proofs, and, when proofs are lacking, for mere suspicions. The moment they become aware of a definite citizen, John Doe, seeking what is his right under the law, they begin searching feverishly for an excuse for withholding it from him.
-H. L. Mencken.

-Eric

41 posted on 07/16/2002 10:13:06 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: NoLongerLurker
The Terrorism Information and Prevention System (Operation TIPS),
Also known as the Special Human Intelligence Team.

-Eric

42 posted on 07/16/2002 10:14:20 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: E Rocc
Brought to us by Dubya Is President Special Human Intelligence Team!
43 posted on 07/16/2002 10:19:52 AM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: m1911
"This is very scary stuff, and it's turning almost surreal."

Agreed. One almost wishes we had Clinton back (almost!). At least all he did was play with Monica and party.

Carolyn

44 posted on 07/16/2002 10:23:55 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: Lord_Baltar; Tourist Guy
True, but where are all the Bush Bots to 'splain this to us?

Where are they indeed. Out to lunch?

With earlier threads on this subject the bushies claim this is an urban legend. Or was it an outright lie, or no it was just trust gw he knows what he is doing....or some such horse poop.

Oh now I remember; it was that we are all reading to much into this, and it is for our own good; yeah thats their story.

45 posted on 07/16/2002 10:24:54 AM PDT by porte des morts
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To: Ciexyz
Indeed.

Heck, my mail dude can't manage to deliver the mail correctly -- we're always getting someone else's mail, and neighbors are always bringing us mis-delivered mail.

This joker is going to be in a position to report suspicious behavior?

46 posted on 07/16/2002 10:27:28 AM PDT by Malacoda
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To: Snowy
Will we be safer with this new "police state"? I think the answer is 'yes'.

Safer from what? The fact of the matter is, just as on airlines, real security is a joke, and this administration is more interested in power than security. It would be very easy to begin enacting real security by concentrating resources on the people we KNOW are a risk...Middle Eastern males, most here under various visa programs, many expired. Of course, they don't want to do this for fear of offending someone.

Think back to the Bushbots applauding the Bush administration's "support" of the Second Amendment.It supports this civil right as long as the Feds can impose "reasonable restrictions". Hmmmm, who decides that?

Now they want to enlist an army of bureaucrats, some in government, some not, to engage in the equivalent of domestic spying.

We already have a system in place to deal with local suspicious characters. It's called the local and state police and sheriff department. We don't need to be involving the feds in routine local law enforcement matters. And there is nothing to keep anyone from calling in a tip to the FBI now anyway. They should have enough to do already. And if we are really serious about directing resources where they are best used, decriminalize marijuana.

There are far too many reasons to oppose this than support it, and posters are doing a good job of doing so. Dubya and crew are very scary characters.

47 posted on 07/16/2002 10:30:15 AM PDT by Jesse
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To: metesky
in 10 cities, with 1 million informants — or nearly 4 percent of Americans — initially participating in the program

10 cities with 25 million citizens

1 million snitches is 4% of the citizens in the 10 city pilot program

48 posted on 07/16/2002 10:30:27 AM PDT by eshu
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To: porte des morts
Urban legend? LOL.

But seriously, this would have never been tolerated if WJBCX42 was in office. Never.

I knew getting an R in the oval office was a dangerous thing.

49 posted on 07/16/2002 10:33:41 AM PDT by Tourist Guy
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To: NoLongerLurker
This is why tyrannies can never be reformed, but only overthrown.

And also, why pensions of the previous regime are seldom paid. ;^)

Proscriptions will become the order of the day when citizens regain control from the establishment.

See Constitution RE: 'Bills of Attainder'.
50 posted on 07/16/2002 10:35:05 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: NoLongerLurker
An article on this ran earlier this week in some whacko Australian newspaper, if I recall.

I guess the Times is floating this out there to see if it gets a denial or confirmation.
51 posted on 07/16/2002 10:36:42 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: NoLongerLurker
from citizencorps.gov:

Operation TIPS - the Terrorism Information and Prevention System - will be a nationwide program giving millions of American truckers, letter carriers, train conductors, ship captains, utility employees, and others a formal way to report suspicious terrorist activity. Operation TIPS, a project of the U.S. Department of Justice, will begin as a pilot program in 10 cities that will be selected.

Operation TIPS, involving 1 million workers in the pilot stage, will be a national reporting system that allows these workers, whose routines make them well-positioned to recognize unusual events, to report suspicious activity. Every participant in this new program will be given an Operation TIPS information sticker to be affixed to the cab of their vehicle or placed in some other public location so that the toll-free reporting number is readily available.

Everywhere in America, a concerned worker can call a toll-free number and be connected directly to a hotline routing calls to the proper law enforcement agency or other responder organizations when appropriate.

Operation TIPS is coming in August 2002.

52 posted on 07/16/2002 10:51:44 AM PDT by m1911
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To: Beelzebubba
Not likely to get a denial, see #52.
53 posted on 07/16/2002 10:59:47 AM PDT by m1911
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To: m1911
Suspicious items: Hunting/Fishing Magazines, Confederate Flags, Right-Wing literature, Country Music CDs, Christian literature, NASCAR memorabilia...
54 posted on 07/16/2002 11:02:17 AM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Beelzebubba
Here's the correct link:

Operation TIPS

I guess that "whacko Australian paper" is more alert than their American counterparts.

55 posted on 07/16/2002 11:02:35 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: browardchad
It's not a matter of being more alert, it's a matter of not wanting their mail servers and phones jammed with hate mail and death threats from the zealots.
56 posted on 07/16/2002 11:09:14 AM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: NoLongerLurker
There is nothing to see here - please move along.

Explain to me once more - slowly - how conservative Bush is.

57 posted on 07/16/2002 11:19:32 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: E Rocc
Great quote. Ain't that the truth!

Cordially,

58 posted on 07/16/2002 11:25:52 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Bill D. Berger
That's it! That's why they aren't here, they're at a Uniform fitting. You can't expect them to wear those brown shirts right off the rack...
60 posted on 07/16/2002 11:46:50 AM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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